Attn: Ohio Potheads!

[jhoyda]

I don't believe that anyone has the right to do anything that they want with their own body.

I don't believe you have the right to protect your body from harm with a firearm. A consummate person should be able to defend themselves with hand to hand techniques and knives.

Obviously, I don't believe this, but I'd like to illustrate the absurdity of your statement by being absurd.

[jhoyda]

I was a three pack a day Marlboro man. I'm paying for that folly with stage four lung cancer today. I did my fair share of drinking in the Navy, but saw the error of my ways. I quit smoking over twenty years ago, but the damage had already been done. Too soon old, too late smart is the story of my life. The only saving grace is that I did wise up. And that's the name of that tune.

You were a three pack a day Marlboro man. You are paying for that folly with stage four lung cancer today. You did your fair share of drinking in the Navy, but saw the error of my ways.

Why do you feel this entitles you to make MY decisions?

[Bobshouse]

You were a three pack a day Marlboro man. You are paying for that folly with stage four lung cancer today. You did your fair share of drinking in the Navy, but saw the error of my ways.

Why do you feel this entitles to you to make MY decisions?

Oh, and welcome to the site...


This post was uncalled for and I consider a personal attack. Something we don't tolerate round here especially to a brand new member who in my personal opinion did nothing to deserve it.
Walk softly please.

[jhoyda]

In what way do I sound like an imbecile? That's a very well supported argument.

Thanks for the welcome.

I've deleted the attached slanderish attack. It was uncalled for and frowned upon rightfully so.

You didn't deserve it and I apologize for it.

[muggsy]

You were a three pack a day Marlboro man. You are paying for that folly with stage four lung cancer today. You did your fair share of drinking in the Navy, but saw the error of my ways.

Why do you feel this entitles you to make MY decisions?

I don't feel entitled to make your decisions. I only hope that you'll profit from my mistakes. Of course, like everyone else, you do have the right to make a jackass of yourself. I just hope that you're smarter than that.

[muggsy]

I don't believe you have the right to protect your body from harm with a firearm. A consummate person should be able to defend themselves with hand to hand techniques and knives.

Obviously, I don't believe this, but I'd like to illustrate the absurdity of your statement by being absurd.

My right to defend myself with a gun is constitutionally enumerated. I'm too old to fight, too crippled to run, but I can still do seven pound curls with my index finger. I got to be an old man by not fokking with any old men. You're treading on thin ice on this forum, jhoyda. This ain't Glock Talk.

[jhoyda]

I don't believe that anyone has the right to do anything that they want with their own body.

I don't feel entitled to make your decisions.

These two statements seem to disagree.

[Bobshouse]

I apologize for my uncalled for, slanderous, attack. I guess I made the wrong decision and let my feelings get in the way of what I considered a cold blooded attack against one of the senior members of the board.

Must of been the Marijuana.

[Bawanna]

For the record I agree that no one especially the government should tell me what I can do or not do to my body.

That's a separate issue than legalization of marijuana. I don't support that in the least except for medical purposes.

Your absolutely correct in that Muggsy is a long standing and respected member and therefore has my protection for what tiny little bit that might be worth.

Sometimes it's not what is said but how it is said and we all do it now and then. It's perfectly fine to criticize, that's pretty much what we do here but we have to try and do it respectfully and with grace if such a thing is possible.

Truth be told and I'm ashamed to even say it and I'd probably be better off not too but I came so close several years ago to banning ole Muggsy that it wasn't even funny. Although he's still quite contrary and like myself constantly walks right on the line (I roll the line), he used to be even more so.

I'm so thankful now that I didn't do that, would have been a horrible horrible thing and we'd all be lesser for it. Not much lesser I reckon but lesser none the less. I think I just created a conundrum?

Jocko look that up and if you find out what it means let me know.

[TheTman]

This is a very decisive subject. Feelings run deep for whichever side you are on. I thought we were all adults here, so can we stop with the insults, and the ridiculous statements, and just agree to disagree. There are a lot of things that are legal that bother me more than legal pot. Abortion, gaystapo antics, our income tax system, Obama as President, Libtards, the Southern Poverty Law Center that rates people like us as near the top of potential terrorists, ahead of muslim extremists, the ACLU most of the time, making it illegal in some places to catch rainwater, various gun laws, Hillary running for President, the Patriot Act, and the NDAA, where they can confiscate anything the govt. thinks is of use to them, including people. The Federal Reserve, Satanists, brainwashing and subliminal signals in TV, movies, and music, (pot is said to keep that type of brainwashing ineffective, otherwise It might already be legal). And a bunch of other stuff.
In the whole scheme of things, how much does it really matter? How much is it going to impact your life? You think people are suddenly going to start smoking it just because it's legal? I doubt it. It's seems to be pretty easy to come by now if you want some. I suppose you could have some that try it once it's legal, I really don't know. I doubt very many people would.
What a person puts into their own body, as long as it's not harmful should be a basic right, under the right to pursue happiness as written in the Declaration of Independence. Pot seems to cause less medical and social problems than alcohol. I've had several friends die from drinking. I don't know anyone that's even gotten sick from pot. I've heard stories of it making people a lot better though, who were using it medicinally. How many would continue to drink alcohol, if prohibition came back? It was legal one day, then illegal the next. I bet more than a few would find a speakeasy, or a bootlegger. Pot was legal for around 150 years, and was in many patent medicines, then it was made illegal. People kept on using it.

[muggsy]

These two statements seem to disagree.

The statements don't disagree. The statements are mutually exclusive. Just because I don't think that anyone has the right to do anything that they want to their own body does not mean that I have the power or inclination to stop them from doing what they choose to do. When it comes to a vote in Ohio I will oppose the legalization of recreational marijuana which is my legal right. If more people believe that getting high on dope should be made legal and socially acceptable, I will bow to the will of the majority. I don't have any other choice. If you choose to waste you life getting wasted, I won't stand in your way.

[b4uqzme]

Well here's what I'm hoping for:

1) those who are against the legalization of marijuana vote NO on Ohio Issue 3
2) those who are for legalization -- recognize that Issue 3 really just creates a cartel that will control all the pot growing and sales in Ohio -- and still vote NO on Ohio Issue 3. If you really want to legalize pot, I encourage you to endeavor to create an open market for it vs. a crony controlled one.

[knkali]

Well here's what I'm hoping for:

1) those who are against the legalization of marijuana vote NO on Ohio Issue 3
2) those who are for legalization -- recognize that Issue 3 really just creates a cartel that will control all the pot growing and sales in Ohio -- and still vote NO on Ohio Issue 3. If you really want to legalize pot, I encourage you to endeavor to create an open market for it vs. a crony controlled one.

I get what you are saying and understand the implications of such legislation. Kudos to bringing this up.

[muggsy]

This is a very decisive subject. Feelings run deep for whichever side you are on. I thought we were all adults here, so can we stop with the insults, and the ridiculous statements, and just agree to disagree. There are a lot of things that are legal that bother me more than legal pot. Abortion, gaystapo antics, our income tax system, Obama as President, Libtards, the Southern Poverty Law Center that rates people like us as near the top of potential terrorists, ahead of muslim extremists, the ACLU most of the time, making it illegal in some places to catch rainwater, various gun laws, Hillary running for President, the Patriot Act, and the NDAA, where they can confiscate anything the govt. thinks is of use to them, including people. The Federal Reserve, Satanists, brainwashing and subliminal signals in TV, movies, and music, (pot is said to keep that type of brainwashing ineffective, otherwise It might already be legal). And a bunch of other stuff.
In the whole scheme of things, how much does it really matter? How much is it going to impact your life? You think people are suddenly going to start smoking it just because it's legal? I doubt it. It's seems to be pretty easy to come by now if you want some. I suppose you could have some that try it once it's legal, I really don't know. I doubt very many people would.
What a person puts into their own body, as long as it's not harmful should be a basic right, under the right to pursue happiness as written in the Declaration of Independence. Pot seems to cause less medical and social problems than alcohol. I've had several friends die from drinking. I don't know anyone that's even gotten sick from pot. I've heard stories of it making people a lot better though, who were using it medicinally. How many would continue to drink alcohol, if prohibition came back? It was legal one day, then illegal the next. I bet more than a few would find a speakeasy, or a bootlegger. Pot was legal for around 150 years, and was in many patent medicines, then it was made illegal. People kept on using it.

Kids are great imitators, Tman. I started smoking because my father was a smoker. I drank because my father was a drinker. It was the socially acceptable thing to do. Do you want your kids or grand kids smoking pot? If not then set a good example. Don't open the avenue to them.

[TheTman]

Muggsy, I've seen parents do the stupidest things, like getting their teenagers smoking pot, thinking that would keep them away from alcohol. Some people think it's better to smoke pot, than to drink alcohol, except for the legality of the issue. I wanted to knock these parents upside the head and ask them what the hell is wrong with you, but they weren't my kids, and I didn't think it was any of my business. Some parents buy underage kids beer and wine and let them drink it at home. Or have keg party for the graduating class. I sure hope they provide transportation for these kids, and don't just turn them loose in their cars at the end of the party. I've seen some pretty crazy stuff in my life that I didn't approve of, but when I have butted in and told my opinion, I was pretty much told to mind my own business. And I'm not the type to call SRS or the Cops on something that people are doing in the privacy of their own home. I guess we still have the right to raise our kids as we see fit. You see a lot of crazy things being a musician. Now if I saw parents giving their kids cocaine or something that would be different. But the government already puts half the kids on drugs, and zombies them out, so the teachers don't have to discipline much in schools. I think a paddle would solve most of the problems that they put these kids on drugs for. But too many parents are like "don't touch my kid" that paddling has gone away for the most part. Heck, if I got a paddling in school I got another one at home. Maybe if they wouldn't drug the kids so much, we wouldn't have these kids shooting up schools and stuff.
I guess underage drinking is more of big thing here than in Europe, where they start kids drinking at an earlier age, or so I've heard quite often. Maybe if you grow up knowing how to handle beer and wine, you don't have as many problems as when kids turn 21, and anything they want in the liquor store is available to them and they have no idea about how to drink responsibly or anything.
I drank some in front of my kids, but none of them grew up like I did, I think they saw the damage my drinking caused and decided not to go down that road. They might have a wine cooler here and there, but are mostly sober. My oldest just got her first level Pastor's degree this last spring. And is planning on going on a missionary trip in a year or two. My son I've never seen drink at all. And my youngest is away at college, so I don't know what she is up too, but I don't think she is hanging out in bars, not with the tough engineering classes that she is taking. I think her Mom did buy her a glass of wine on her 21st birthday, but that's all I've heard of her doing any drinking. I think maybe sometimes what children see scares them enough to keep away from some things. It can work both ways I guess.