Attn: Ohio Potheads!

[TheTman]

I wasn't complaining, I don't have a dog in that fight. Just pointing out some of the people that likely voted with you. And I am truly curious as to why and how many people voted the way they did, just because I'm curious about different things. Particularly politics.

[muggsy]

The people voted the way that they voted, because it was an ill conceived bill. Most people would have voted for medical marijuana, but not for recreational marijuana. This bill would have created a marijuana monopoly for a cartel and changed the state constitution permanently. The people of Ohio aren't stupid. The illegal drug users are stupid. Why do you think that they call it dope? If you think that legalizing marijuana is going to eliminate the illegal drug trade think again. You can still buy bootleg booze, cigarettes, golf clubs, etc. Wanna buy a Rolex? How would you differentiate between legal and illegal pot?

[berettabone]

Allowing people to grow it here means that the price would go way down, especially if you let the gov't tax the h))) out of it. Do you actually think that cartels are going to spend the money and take the risk for something that someone could purchase here for cheaper? They're too busy shipping over the cash crop ie. cocaine, heroin, meth, crack, etc. The money that they waste fighting a losing battle with marijuana could be used to fight the other, more devastating drugs. You can go to states like Oregon, California, etc., and purchase pot for $100 an ounce. The cartels can't even sell it for that. Legalizing pot WILL eliminate the illegal drug trade, as far as marijuana is concerned. There really isn't any difference between medical marijuana and recreational marijuana...............it's all the same. You go to the doctor, tell him your getting headaches and can't sleep, and here's your card. Illegal marijuana users may be stupid, but the voters are just as stupid. If they've never tried it, or don't understand it, or believe all of the horror stories, they should shut up, and just let it go. It's really not that big a deal, really. Would you rather have a licensed grower, controlled by the gov't, or a cartel in your town. It will soon be your choice. It's expanding across the nation, and eventually it will be legal. The same people voted for our current potus, because they thought they knew better also.....................................

[berettabone]

I wasn't complaining, I don't have a dog in that fight. Just pointing out some of the people that likely voted with you. And I am truly curious as to why and how many people voted the way they did, just because I'm curious about different things. Particularly politics.

I don't have a dog in the fight either.........................people fear what they don't understand, or don't know anything about.

[TheTman]

I just think it's weird how politics makes strange bedfellows. You have people against it for moral or ethical reasons, and criminals dealers, both voting the same way. Kind of reminds me of some of the things that go on in Congress.
In Colorado, you get the legal pot at a State monitored store. They get the illegal stuff wherever they get it off the streets, in bars or wherever. That's how they tell the difference.
Medical marijuana was a joke in Colorado. An ex-girlfriend's son got it because he told the Dr. he was having pain from where he broke his leg 10 years ago, and he had no pain. But he did have a scar and that was enough for the Dr. to prescribe it. Then anyone with a marijuana card was supposed to not be able to purchase a firearm, I don't know how much that got enforced. I'd much rather be able to own firearms, than smoke some damn plant.
I've read some articles that suggest it's in man's nature to find a way to become intoxicated. Beer came soon after grain was grown as a crop, and Wine has been made for probably as long or longer. Arabs can smoke whatever they want, but can't touch alcohol, while we are most just the opposite.
This pot argument seems like it causes a lot more trouble than it's worth, causing hard feelings between people on either side of the issue. I don't understand why it's OK to get blind drunk if you're not driving, yet smoking a little weed causes such animosity. Myself, I prefer to stay sober, and an occasional glass of wine is plenty for me. I'm just fascinated by people's prejudices against some things. I know plenty that feel the same way about drinking as they do pot and other drugs... a drug is a drug. For some it's a religious thing, others from AA. I guess as far as pot and alcohol go, I'm a live and let live type of guy. I don't fee But bring Meth or any of that crap around and we're going to have a problem. LOL, I used to buy those fake Rolexes in NYC for $5.00 to $10.00 and give them to my friends when I got back. They loved them. They knew they were fake, but they had fun with them.

[muggsy]

Beer, wine and distilled grains came into favor, because the water was unsafe to drink. The alcohol killed the bacteria. Meat was smoked or dried to preserved it before refrigeration was invented. I suppose if someone really wanted to smoke pot legally they could move to an Arab nation. I wouldn't miss them. I don't drink alcohol to excess or smoke pot because with freedom comes responsibility.

[Handy]

You can count on me and Mrs. Muggsy to vote no on issue 3. If fact, I don't know a single person who is in favor of legalizing pot. I can't think of a married person who's in favor of legalizing pot, either. Just sayin.

I'm a married person with a loved one who benefits greatly in treating a painful medical condition with marijuana. So now you know one.


Should I be surprised that so many posts in this thread read like middle school students giving their opinions on quantum mechanics? Have any opinion you want, but at least have an informed opinion.


You know what I really think is funny? A bunch of people that honestly believe that people, not inanimate objects, are the ones responsible to do the right thing who are in favor of banning access to something because they think that is the best way of controlling people's behavior. Pot causes society's ills exactly as often as guns do.

[muggsy]

I have repeatedly stated that I'm not opposed to the medical use of marijuana. I'm opposed to the recreational use of marijuana. This particular bill allowed for both and that's why I voted it down. I picked up my first cigarette, because my father smoked and smoking was socially acceptable. Currently I'm fighting stage four lung cancer. I don't want my grandchildren thinking that it's socially acceptable to smoke pot and distort reality. The risks are too great and those of us who act responsibly end up paying for the folly of others. Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of paying for the mistakes of others. My tag line is, "With freedom comes responsibility" and I firmly believe that. I will pray for your loved ones recovery, but I'll continue to oppose the recreational use of marijuana. Fortunately 2/3 of the people of the state of Ohio think as I think.

[berettabone]

I'm a married person with a loved one who benefits greatly in treating a painful medical condition with marijuana. So now you know one.


Should I be surprised that so many posts in this thread read like middle school students giving their opinions on quantum mechanics? Have any opinion you want, but at least have an informed opinion.


You know what I really think is funny? A bunch of people that honestly believe that people, not inanimate objects, are the ones responsible to do the right thing who are in favor of banning access to something because they think that is the best way of controlling people's behavior. Pot causes society's ills exactly as often as guns do.

Most haven't tried it, and they are the biggest complainers.........................I'll bet that your loved one doesn't have any distortion of reality. Many uninformed opinions indeed.

[berettabone]

Beer, wine and distilled grains came into favor, because the water was unsafe to drink. The alcohol killed the bacteria. Meat was smoked or dried to preserved it before refrigeration was invented. I suppose if someone really wanted to smoke pot legally they could move to an Arab nation. I wouldn't miss them. I don't drink alcohol to excess or smoke pot because with freedom comes responsibility.

Pot has been used for ages by the American Indian, along with other natural plants and substances which are also illegal, for some of the same reasons that alcohol came in to the picture. To heal what ails ya...............you may not drink alcohol to excess, but you still drink it, and it alters your reality. I guess that's ok. If you were really responsible, you wouldn't drink at all. You could also tell everyone that you stay home and drink, and don't get behind the wheel. Same with the evil weed. None of us advocate the usage by kids, of any of these things, but law or no law, just like prohibition, legalize it, and some of the major issues go away. If you want weed, you don't go ask a 60 year old, you get it from the kids. It's already available to them in mass quantities. The people of OHIO probably think that they made major headway with this vote, but in all actuality, it didn't change a thing. A feel good vote. I live in a state that drinks itself to death, and has some of the highest usage rates, and some of the highest death rates, and drunken driving rates in the nation. I don't wish them a hard life in an Arab nation, I just wish they would lay off so much booze. People up here aren't dying from marijuana usage. It's the old mentality, and lack of knowledge, that drives opinion on this subject.

[muggsy]

Pot has been used for ages by the American Indian, along with other natural plants and substances which are also illegal, for some of the same reasons that alcohol came in to the picture. To heal what ails ya...............you may not drink alcohol to excess, but you still drink it, and it alters your reality. I guess that's ok. If you were really responsible, you wouldn't drink at all. You could also tell everyone that you stay home and drink, and don't get behind the wheel. Same with the evil weed. None of us advocate the usage by kids, of any of these things, but law or no law, just like prohibition, legalize it, and some of the major issues go away. If you want weed, you don't go ask a 60 year old, you get it from the kids. It's already available to them in mass quantities. The people of OHIO probably think that they made major headway with this vote, but in all actuality, it didn't change a thing. A feel good vote. I live in a state that drinks itself to death, and has some of the highest usage rates, and some of the highest death rates, and drunken driving rates in the nation. I don't wish them a hard life in an Arab nation, I just wish they would lay off so much booze. People up here aren't dying from marijuana usage. It's the old mentality, and lack of knowledge, that drives opinion on this subject.

My opinion was shared by the Governor of my State, a majority of our law makers, the medical and the law enforcement communities. I was well read and very well informed on the subject. My side won and yours lost. End of story.

[Handy]

My opinion was shared by the Governor of my State, a majority of our law makers, the medical and the law enforcement communities. I was well read and very well informed on the subject. My side won and yours lost. End of story.

In a few years your opinion will be the minority everywhere. Actually, it already is, with 53% of the US in favor of legalization.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...out-marijuana/

Like concealed carry and gay marriage, the US is growing up in its attitudes. We may be idiotically slow to realize the obvious at times, but we eventually do the right thing. I look forward to the day when my taxes don't get spent on incarcerating "dangerous" pot felons.

[muggsy]

The people who buy and use illegal drugs are financing organized crime and our foreign enemies. They shouldn't be incarcerated. They should be executed. That would end their problems and ours. I have no sympathy for people who ruin their lives and the lives of others through sheer stupidity. If that poll was accurate then the legalization of recreational pot would have passed in Ohio. Ask a question in the proper manner and you can make a poll say anything you want. The real poll takes place at the ballot box.

[TheTman]

Wow Muggs, that's a pretty vicious bigoted statement right there about executing anyone that uses illegal drugs. Does that include any family members that might smoke? Nieces and Nephews? Grandchildren? People that use it medicinally you might have met and made friends with at the chemo center? With that logic, we should have executed everyone that bought a drink during prohibition, they were funding foreign and domestic terrorists. Probably to a lot bigger tune than pot is contributing to organized crime if they even mess with it. I think they are more into powders where the big money is. What about people that buy it in a legal state and bring it home with them, do they get killed too?

So where are all these lives pot has ruined? I can find about 50 meetings a day in city down the road for people that ruined their lives with alcohol, 1 a day for people with narcotic problems, 0 for people that have problems with pot. I find the hypocrisy of someone who drinks crying about the damage pot is doing to be ludicrous. The pan calling the kettle black.
You had one friend that had a problem with it, more likely he was on harder stuff, probably was a drunk too, but never the less, that doesn't mean everyone is like him. I can't believe you'd have someone killed over something that's legal in several states. Something you wouldn't mind if it was made legal for medicinal purposes. Are you without sin that you'd be the first one to pull the lever on the electric chair or hangman's platform?

I will grant you that hard drugs DO ruin lives, and I'd like to see them done away with, but I thought we were talking about pot in this thread.

[muggsy]

If I ever learned that one of my boys had smoked pot or did any other illegal drugs I'd kick him in the ass until his nose started to bleed. We have a zero tolerance policy in this house. Pot has ruined lives and caused deaths whether you or others choose to believe it or not and it can be a gateway drug.

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/0...ble-marijuana/