Has anybody tried Mag Safe Ammo?

[Lobo_79]

...Lobo_79, my thought is to carry a backup mag or 2 loaded with traditional HP defensive ammo. My thinking being that, if the situation isn't over with 7 rounds fired, we are in a major confrontation with everyone seeking cover, and the greater penetration is needed. But having the gun loaded with the Mag-Safe ammo to start with makes your first response a measured one with, as Vanzpp believes, some advantages.

JFootin: I don't disagree with your assessment but I would certainly consider developing some training scenarios so that when the "pucker factor" is off scale high you have your process burned into muscle memory. Further, I would test mixing different types of ammo in the same magazine to make sure they feed okay but you've probably already tried that. I have a CZ75B in .40 S&W that is a little stubborn at times if I get too clever mixing ammo types.

My experience with MagSafe ammo was simply to satisfy my curiosity and to verify that in a pinch my PM9 would handle it without modifying my current spring configuration. Not very scientific; it was more of a science project. I used a similar ammo type in my Ruger Security Six (with a 2.75" barrel) for this experiment and the first round appeared to key hole the target. Subsequent rounds worked okay.

The friendly debate can rage on about the value added of this type of ammo. It would certain be nice if we could get access to actual real world results experienced by credible public safety organizations.

I originally considered MagSafe because in my home I had a typically occupied guest bedroom in the line of fire from where I would most likely be standing should a home invasion occur. When my guest moved out I switched back to conventional PD ammo because I want to have the option of being able to shoot through my front door if necessary (and justifiable). I've tested .357 Mag from a 6" barrel and 9mm in a 4.9" barrel against a sample of the door material and I know this will work...in spades actually.

[JFootin]

Everyone, this is a great discussion! A lot of good points being made. Lobo_79, that is a great idea mixing the rounds - maybe just 3 of the Mag-Safe.

[Chuck54]

Does anybody remember the F.B.I. study that came to the conclusion that the 9mm round tested was second only to a 44mag round tested for stopping power?

I think that was a study done in the late 60's or early 70's.

[Lobo_79]

Does anybody remember the F.B.I. study that came to the conclusion that the 9mm round tested was second only to a 44mag round tested for stopping power?

I think that was a study done in the late 60's or early 70's.

That would be an interesting read since it happened before the tragedy at Ruby Ridge. They probably updated that study to reflect the new threat scenario. I think this may have been the genesis of the .40 S&W. But, I may be mistaken.

LOL...I'm hoping this doesn't erupt into a caliber war discussion.

[Michael W.]

There's a good read in the latest American Handgunner in the Ayoob Files
with a revisit of the infamous Miami Shootout that pretty much launched
the whole industry (and some would argue pseudo-science) of bullet
technology and performance that many shooters (present company
included) remain addicted to.

It was the Miami Shootout that led the FBI to start looking at more
powerful handgun rounds which led to the 10mm (on the S&W 1076
platform) and then to the 40 S&W (in order to duplicate the lower end of
the 10mm power scale but in a 9mm sized platform).

Digital edition available here:

http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/...gunner/AHND11/

M-

[JodyH]

MagSafe meets none of the established standards for handgun bullet performance.
But they have pretty advertisements.
Maybe you should look into "Extreme Shock" ammo if you are impressed with price per round and bold typeface claims.
Me, I'll stick to rounds with established, proven track records.

[Vanzpp]

MagSafe meets none of the established standards for handgun bullet performance.
But they have pretty advertisements.
Maybe you should look into "Extreme Shock" ammo if you are impressed with price per round and bold typeface claims.
Me, I'll stick to rounds with established, proven track records.

[JFootin]

Now be nice, boys. Jody, I started this thread to gain some knowledge about this ammo from people who have actually used it in their guns, not to hear put downs or insults. Have you, Jody, ever actually used the ammo?

[JodyH]

No.
Why would I?
I don't have to waste $150 on a Jimenez .25 to know they are junk either.
Do a little more research other than ad copy and you'll see that MagSafe is all junk science.

[JFootin]

No.
Why would I?
I don't have to waste $150 on a Jimenez .25 to know they are junk either.
Do a little more research other than ad copy and you'll see that MagSafe is all junk science.

So, this is what you have to contribute to the intelligent and civil discussion we have been having about this ammo? Which you have never tried. But to just call us all idiots for looking into it?

[Bawanna]

Happy thoughts everyone. Happy thoughts.

[Chuck54]

I just looked at the Magsafe web site.

The velocities WOW

I may order some of the 25 acp for my Beretta 950

If it works out I may never need to carry a larger pistol again

[Vanzpp]

This is interesting....hollow point performance through bone. Pretty dismal.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/PDF/38%2...t%20plates.pdf

Could this be used as a justification for frangibles like Magsafe?

[JFootin]

We'll never know because there wasn't any frangible ammo in the test.

Could the performance of these brands of ammo, in particular the ones favored by law enforcement, be illustrating the ability to penetrate car doors and windows—doing what they were designed to do?

How do you think the Magsafe ammo would have performed in this test?

[Vanzpp]

How do you think the Magsafe ammo would have performed in this test?

Assuming this test to be correct, I suspect the Magsafes would have penetrated the bone then fragmented as advertised. This person did not test expansion in gel. He wanted to see how much sheetrock Magsafes would penetrate to determine safety for home defense.

http://www.shootingresources.com/ind...d=52&Itemid=39

"The Sheetrock test showed that this ammo traveled though 8 layers and the front portion of the round shattered into multiple pieces. An equivalent of 4 interior walls. Not to bad. I also tested this round on the steel plate rig, 3 layers of 22 gauge steel, this was very surprising, it blew a clean hole though all 3 layers."