Has anybody tried Mag Safe Ammo?

[Rainman48314]

Some good points Rainman. I started this thread to gather information about this particular brand of ammo. I didn't start the thread as a debate about frangible ammo in general, nor to get bashed over the head and called an idiot every time I say something positive about the ammo. Just information gathering about MagSafe ammo.

My main interest is because I live in an apartment, so wall penetration and killing neighbors is a concern. They also claim low recoil, which with my partially paralyzed hands and wrists, would provide better control and quicker followup shots. I still think that one mag loaded with this ammo would work for me around the apartment.

Let me make it clear, my current ammo box contains boxes of Speer GD 124gr, Federal HST 124gr+p, and an assortment of FMJs for range work. I intend to add some other bullet weights and brands of conventional SD ammo to try at the range over time. And my carry ammo will be one of those premium SD choices.

I'm inclined to use a "pass / fail" rating for SD ammo. Not saying any of yours fails, I just have my reasons as stated.

I live in a multi-unit condo, perhaps not as paper thin as some apartments, but I suspect my use of a gun in SD will probably come away from home. At home, where I would make a stand, a BG is lined up with my washer and dryer and then my full size car. I should look up what my GMAC lease says about bullet holes in the hood.

Stay safe

[tv_racin_fan]

I have no issue with using birdshot in a 12 guage inside my home. In fact my 12 guage is currently loaded with birdshot.

Yeah I know tests have been done that show birdshot wont work but every test I have seen shows what happens when using birdshot or buckshot or even slugs at longer ranges than I could expect to be shooting INSIDE MY HOME. I have yet to see a test where someone tried birdshot or buckshot or even slug at point blank range which is what I would have INSIDE MY HOME.

[JFootin]

Yeah, a shotgun is a good choice for home defense, especially one of the shorter barrel varieties. I used to have an old Ithaca Model 37 Featherweight 12 ga Pump, but had to sell it. Not a short gun, but nice action. The only down side is the potentially BIG mess that 2 or 3 shotgun blasts can make in a home.

But a shotgun or long gun is impractical for me. You see, my ability to stand and balance has become so limited, with me having to use a 4 wheel walker all the time, that I wouldn't be able to free both hands to handle and shoot a shotgun without losing my balance and falling. And the recoil would knock me over, anyway. Even in a power chair (I have one. Don't want to use it anymore than I have to until I can't do anything else.), I need one hand to work the joystick to maneuver it. Also, I can't wear a shotgun on me, so that would add the time needed for me to go and retrieve it when threatened. I can't move faster than a turtle, so that would put me at a great disadvantage.

So for me, a handgun works better. I can wear it in a comfortable OWB holster. Don't have to worry about concealment, although a loose shirt keeps it out of sight, out of mind when someone comes to the door. I work the joystick with my weak hand, so my strong hand is free to handle the gun. Lot's of limitations. Can't "run and shoot" or anything like that. But a handgun on my person gives me the best advantage I can have.

This is why the subject of this thread is to gather info about a brand of ammo that seems suitable for use in my handgun in my apartment, while providing a level of safety for my neighbors.

[Mr. S]

I started this thread to gather information about this particular brand of ammo. I didn't start the thread as a debate about frangible ammo in general, nor to get bashed over the head and called an idiot every time I say something positive about the ammo. Just information gathering about MagSafe ammo.

My main interest is because I live in an apartment, so wall penetration and killing neighbors is a concern. They also claim low recoil, which with my partially paralyzed hands and wrists, would provide better control and quicker followup shots. I still think that one mag loaded with this ammo would work for me around the apartment.

Let me make it clear, my current ammo box contains boxes of Speer GD 124gr, Federal HST 124gr+p, and an assortment of FMJs for range work. I intend to add some other bullet weights and brands of conventional SD ammo to try at the range over time. And my carry ammo will be one of those premium SD choices.

IF Magsafe performs as advertised then why wouldn't you carry it all the time?
Are there times you wouldn't worry about overpenetration and stopping the attacker quickly?

OK I'm done bashing you over the head now...Seriously I dont want to see anyone waste money and more importantly possibly make a mistake that could cause them permanent damage or worse.


Read the 5th post here (by DocGKR, the 7th paragraph deals with magsafe in particular)

http://www.tacticalforums.com/ubb/Fo...ML/000192.html


written by someone who knows more about this than you and I ever will.

[JFootin]

That's a very informative post, Mr. S. Thanks. He makes a good case against the ammo. I'm convinced. I won't waste any of my money.

It looks like a heavier 147gr HP load might be most effective in my 3" barreled CM9, huh? I saw a report where the Winchester failed to expand. He says the Remington will. I'll have to try some of that. Maybe some Buffalo Bore, too.

Of course, the Speer Gold Dot 124gr and Federal HST 124gr in my current inventory are no slouches, either.

I am glad you say you will stop bashing me over the head about this. It came across as personal and disrespectful—sort of like being harassed and bullied on a playground. I am severely crippled in my legs and hands, but I am not a wimp. And in person, I would probably have punched you in the nose quite a while back. Kind of hard to do over a computer. But maybe you didn't intend it that way, so I am willing to let bygones be bygones. Just try to be more respectful.

[JFootin]

MagSafe 9mm Defender Clear Gel Test

Our bullet testing expert, Ljutic, posted results from his test of MagSafe ammo. I am impressed! It proves that this ammo performs as advertized. Here it is:

MagSafe 9mm Defender Clear Gel Test

[Brian Edwards]

Let me just say at the beginning, I have not read the entire thread. I'm not going to try because there is too much inaccurate posting on the first page that any hope for the follow along pages being correct is practically nil.

There seems to be a great deal of people who don't know anything about terminal ballistics, that are commenting as if they do. People quoting energy numbers, as if that has any bearing on what makes a good handgun rounds. People quoting Marshall and Sanow's bogus One Shot Stop statistics. People mentioning of all things the Strassberg Tests. Folks, stop it.

You need to understand how to interpret shots fired into properly calibrated ballistic gelatin. You need to understand that FPE is not a wounding factor in handgun rounds, and why. Marshall and Sanow's One SHot Stop books and numbers have been efficiently and totally destroyed. The Strassberg Tests still have not been proven to have been held, and may be a work of fiction brought forth by an unscrupulous gun writer.

So I'm going to provide you some links. Many of them will come from the same website, as that happens to be where they are cached.

First and foremost is Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness. Written by an FBI Special Agent in the late 80's, it is the Holy Grail of terminal ballistics papers, and has withstood the test of time. If you cant bother to read 25 pages, don't bother to respond.

http://firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

The next link shows gelatin shots and explains what is a wound and what is not. This is by one Dr Gary K Roberts (DDS, USNR LtCMDR, PAPDR, etc).

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=22323


As for Marshall and Sanow, the old International Wounds Ballistics Association, comprised of Combat Surgeons, Trauma Surgeons, Medical Examiners, Coroners, Police officers, EMTs from all over the world did a thorough and complete job of debunking them.

http://firearmstactical.com/afte.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs8.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs12.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs24.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs31.htm


If more proof was needed as to why FPE is not a wounding factory in service pistol ammunition, here's yet another data point:

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs3.htm


Moving on to the subject at hand, here is why MagSafe is garbage, and shouldn't be trusted for defense of your life, or others:

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs5.htm

http://firearmstactical.com/tactical...article432.htm


Lets see who actually takes the time to read and learn, who prefaces their response with "I'm not going to read all of that" and then offers a weak excuse, and who will just do the internet equivalent of "nuh-uh!".

[ltxi]

Let me just say at the beginning, I have not read the entire thread. ..........

.............Lets see who actually takes the time to read and learn, who prefaces their response with "I'm not going to read all of that" and then offers a weak excuse, and who will just do the internet equivalent of "nuh-uh!".

How 'bout long put to rest and it's not clear anyone really cared all that much to begin with?

Hope all that didn't exceed your attention span.