How many Lawmen use Kahr for back up or off duty.

[josp]

Plainclothes. G37 and PM9 on duty, usually just the mini off duty, but I've been known to carry both depending on where I'm going.

[Narkcop]

???

From professional experince I have alway looked at the 380 as what you carry when you don't really want to carry a gun...Many small 9's and 45's are only marginally bigger.

I would not trust my life to a 380. PERIOD A 380 is only margnially useful as a last ditch contact weapon. I have seen WAY too MANY 380s fail to penetrate heavy clothing, heck I know an officer that thankfully had a 380 bounce off his hard head with nary more than a scratch. And it was a direct on frontal hit not a glancing blow.

I cannot slam the 380 as a self defense round enough. Sorry but thats my experience.

A .380 bounced off a hard head.

[KoBear]

Springfield xd .45 on duty

Kahr pm9 off duty

NJ

[MikeyKahr]

A .380 bounced off a hard head.

Hey that's the face I made when I read that too!

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[LonChaney]

CW9 Covert as a backup on duty and K9 off duty.

[WPPD574]

On Duty: Glock 22, CW9 in my vest and a P30 in my cargo pocket

Off Duty; CW9 and 2 Mags, P380 and 1 mag

Never less than 2 guns on me!

[kayl]

On Duty: P229, no backups allowed

Off Duty: CM9 or 442

I'm starting a new job this spring, then on duty will be S&W M&P .40, back up will be M&P.40c

Of course I'll still carry the CM9 off duty!

[dirtkicker]

On duty Glock23. No backups allowed.
Off duty Glock26 switching to CM9. Both w/CT.

[DeaconKC]

PF9 for off duty, Parole Agent in Illinois.
Glock 23 on duty.

[Sgt01]

PM9 for off-duty carry.

[Retops]

I work with police as a consultant now that I am retired. Recently worked with a detective in a small Oklahoma department that carried an MK9 on and off duty. Another detective, in a different department was carrying a K40 on duty and an MK9 off duty.

[CJB]

Bawanna my dept has just under 1200 officers and I am aware of at least 2 dozen plain clothes officers that carry Kahrs as their primary duty weapon.

Just catchin' up on all this...

Thinking about it some, Bawanna. My dad carried a blue Chiefs as his ISSUE handgun, for Suffolk County, for over 20 years. That was a long while ago - he retired in 1975 after 25 years service, about 23 of them plain clothes (if you call it that).

I can't see any reason not to carry a Kahr in that same function. Certainly the .40 or .45 PM models have an advantage over any .38 Special, and the PM9 is certainly no worse. None of them that much difference in size from the Chief's, even an Airweight Chiefs has no distinct weight advantage.

Total agreement for uniformed carry too, there are much better alternatives out there for open carry on a standard gunbelt - Glock, and Smith M&P seem to be the dominant players for the right reasons - technical, logistical, and political.

[CJB]

Still reading....

I see some departments don't allow back up while on duty? Whats the premise for that? Its got to be political....

And, reading even more, I can't find the reason NYPD has disallowed ANY Kahr pistols from being used as backup. Whats goin on with that?

[JFootin]

Still reading....

I see some departments don't allow back up while on duty? Whats the premise for that? Its got to be political....

And, reading even more, I can't find the reason NYPD has disallowed ANY Kahr pistols from being used as backup. Whats goin on with that?

Yeah really! The Glock trigger isn't as safe as the Kahr.

[TriggerMan]

We have two officers with PM9s the DLC. They have had them probably close to 2 years now. Neither officer did any prep, not sure they even cleaned them before they took them up shot a little and did a qual.
Neither has had any mentioned issues. They are carried for on duty backup and off duty.
I'm not sure either has 300 rounds thru it yet. I sometimes worry if they have shot them enough to be reliable but apparently they are confident in them so I try to keep my worries to myself.

Sadly I failed to talk this latest officer out of the Taurus for a CM. He had it in his head thats' what he wants. He's an idiot but also a good friend. I know friends shouldn't let friends do stuff like this but I did the best I could.

My brand new Taurus .22 PLY is perfectly fabulous! It's Yellow & Black and makes me feel witty and gay! Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Seriously, I wouldn't use any Taurus for any thing critical. With discounts LEOs get, I'm surprised one wouldn't stick to a major American, German or Austrian brand.