? about plating coming off feed ramp and chamber on PM9.

[wagon]

LOL... I wish we did steal it so that we can just throw it away when we we got done with it ... too bad we paid real money for ours

. Just shoot it like u stole it . ..

[jocko]

I paid

LOL... I wish we did steal it so that we can just throw it away when we we got done with it ... too bad we paid real money for ours

real money for all 3 of my kahrs....

[wagon]

who doesn't? :7:

real money for all 3 of my kahrs....

[LDM]

different plating vendor. ...not had 2 dozen barrels reported to them with flaking issues. ...how they would be able to detect a flaking barrel issue, if when it left the factory,it was not flaking. ...If ur old enough

RE: plating vendor
I can easily see how the lowest common denominator in this chain of events could be the cause. Some guy (or gal) on the production floor misses something and BINGO! It can also be some pencil necked guy in the front office trying something to cut pennies.

RE 2 dozen barrels
The fact that two folks who bought at different times, Singlestack in March and me in October, get bad barrels and then get bad replacement barrels makes me believe the problem is more widespread, but not yet noticed. But only a small number reported is not especially surprising. Being on this forum is proof enough of our above average interest and knowledge in shooting. We shoot as much as we can because we like it and try to widen our shooting knowledge. I think the average gun owner buys, shoots a bit, and then it is in a drawer as insurance; such a person might not even recognize the problem if they saw it. 50 years from now, somebody will have a unfired or shot very little Kahr, and "discover' a flaky barrel. Also I don't know how many barrels are processed at a time, but I suspect it is more than a couple of dozen.
That said, my initial experience with Kahr customer service was very positive and I do have faith it will be made right. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
“Of all the gun joints in all the towns in all the world, a flaky barrel walks into mine.” Sorry to twist your words Bogie.

RE:detect... factory
I visually inspected before firing and saw nothing conclusive, and only saw evidence after firing. So I don't know how you detect this short of test firing barrels from each each batch. Given circumstances, if there is no other way (heat? pressure?), sample test firing may be warranted. Regardless you know this is being discussed at Kahr and somebody is trying something.

RE: old enough
Yeah, unfortunately, I am old enough. I'm pre-Sputnik.

[wagon]

Bull's eye! A temporary deviation in their QA process is called for. They should/could consider to implement a temporary procedure until the issue is permanently resolved. Such as some x% of barrels per batch to go thru 200 rounds test firing. No peeling => release to production. Peeling = reject.

Is Kahr ISO or QS certified in their production (not paperwork) process?

RE:detect... factory
I visually inspected before firing and saw nothing conclusive, and only saw evidence after firing. So I don't know how you detect this short of test firing barrels from each each batch. Given circumstances, if there is no other way (heat? pressure?), sample test firing may be warranted. Regardless you know this is being discussed at Kahr and somebody is trying something.
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[jocko]

and

Bull's eye! A temporary deviation in their QA process is called for. They should/could consider to implement a temporary procedure until the issue is permanently resolved. Such as some x% of barrels per batch to go thru 200 rounds test firing. No peeling => release to production. Peeling = reject.

Is Kahr ISO or QS certified in their production (not paperwork) process?

we don't know if they are not doing that now either. I feel the barrels are getting scrutinized far more than they were 3 months or so ago.. I feel kahr is on top of this to and some will just have to wade through this with kahr also..

[jocko]

I would have to agree with u on that. there are more than 2 dozen barrels out their flaking, How many??We to are guessing. from march to October does notnecessarily mean that all produced in between that period are indeed bad either. Lot of "guessing" on our part but I feel kahr knows exactly what is going on. have not read this happening on any cw series or MK series or K series or even P series, so that tells me it could be possably one or two plating vendors and not indicative of the entire line The cw series is their biggest production gun followed by the PM models..

also doesn't mean it could not be in those lines either but until they start showing up in numbers, in the cw and MK and K lines, then we should assume all is ok there.

[mr surveyor]

given that the CW series is a different barrel altogether (conventional rifling vs. polygonal rifling) than all other Kahr barrels, would they be sent to the same sub-contractors as the other barrels? I suppose they could be, but you (jocko) did suiggest there may be more than one plating shop doing the work.

surv

[jocko]

and I merely suggested that, I don't know that either. I know many companies have more thanoe vendor. I would not think conventiona/vs polygonal would have a thing to do with plating staying on or off. the MK and K series is not conventional or the P series.

again we are all speculating, myself included..

[mr surveyor]

we do, as gun owners, tend to make some pretty wild assumptions sometimes don't we? I know I do

I was surprised years ago to find that the major manufacturers actually farmed out a large percentage of their parts. It probably does help contain costs considerably.

If this plating problem is from an outsourced vendor, I wonder if they have had the same problems reported from other manufacturers products, and not just isolated to a few Kahr barrels?


surv (hoping my CW9 never develops a "complexion problem")

[jocko]

don't

I basically know very little about gunsmithing but it seems to me that these stainless barrels would work just as well without the plating.
Other high end guns are either blued or stainless and have the ramp and chamber polished; at least mine are.

It may be that due to the Kahr's smaller size it's necessary to have them plated in order to function correctly, but I'd like to try one without it.
Or, then again, maybe I'm just dreaming.
What do you guys think?

think kahr barrels are stainless steel. They call their barrels from lothar proprietary steel, what ever that means, .

[500KV]

I dunno..I just read this blurp on their website.

"The pistols of Kahr are lock-breeched with stainless steel, polygonally rifled barrels mating to slides sans bushing."

[jocko]

dunna know either

I dunno..I just read this blurp on their website.

"The pistols of Kahr are lock-breeched with stainless steel, polygonally rifled barrels mating to slides sans bushing."

but the kahr site says "high tensile strength proprietary steel". No argument on myside here either, I would have thought had it been stainless, they would have included that in their description. Lothar has a reputation of making one of the finest button rifled barrels in the world, course they only send the billet to Kahr already button rifled and then kahr does all the maching process and then send the barrels out to be nickel plated. But I am going to check that out, who knows proprietary might be a "code" word for stainless..

have since found out that kahr barrels are not stainless...

[deadhead1971]

I am going to call Kahr today, not to bug them, but get an update.

Kahr received LDM's barrel on Oct 21 ,and he has been sent a barrel. Kahr received my barrel on Oct 22, and I have not received anything yet.

I'll keep you posted. Luckily I have an LCP in the mean time.

[deadhead1971]

Called Kahr and immediately got someone on the phone.

They are out of barrels and are waiting on a new shipment.

They will send me one as soon as they get some more in. How long? Not sure--probably a week or 2.