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  • I got to the range on Friday to shoot my new (3rd) barrel.

    50 rounds Speer lawman 147 fmj (good stuff!) and 50 rounds Blazer Brass 115 gr, as well as a dozen of so of Winchester Ranger 147 gr. No problems whatsoever. I'd estimate my total rounds through this weapon to now be 400-450. A very noticeable difference to me in overall smoothness of operation.

    Moreover, when I got back and cleaned the weapon, no sign of flaking inside or out on the barrel. No particular problems cleaning.

    I think (and hope) this gets me past this problem.

    A couple of observations and thoughts:
    The latest barrel (#3) was very different in appearance to original and #2. The first two had a more shiny finish. #3 was obviously a chrome finish but more like what you might see on quality hand tools. Hard to verbalize but it seemed more robust and substantial.
    The crown of #3 was visibly different. Different angle.
    The outside cuts at the chamber were also different.
    And notably, the hood was fully dimensioned and had to be slightly stoned to fit. This was not all bad as it makes for a better fit at the end of the day.
    Knowing what I know now, brand new out of the box this weapon would benefit from a tune-up (i.e. thorough cleaning and lube, light stoning, breaking/radiusing edges, lapping slide) before it is ever fired. I know C&S offers this kind of service but they are too pricey and schedule backlogged. This is an opportunity for gunsmiths (or Kahr!) to offer a service and carve out a niche for themselves. It'd be worth $100-$200, just in saved break-in ammo and aggravation.

    Bottom line: it worked & did not flake in 100+ rounds.

    I want to shoot this weapon some more, but I am confident enough now to carry for defense.

    Stay safe.

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    • LDM. glad that you knew about to tweek some little things on ur 3rd barrel even. Most kahrs really don't need that stuff either, but I am assuming that you only sent in your barrel for replacement and not the slide also to make sure it was fitted correctly. More than likely (hopefully) kahr wolud have caught that in house and did exactly like u did. If it fits tight now, it will in time loosen up a tad and that should be one hell of a nice working gun. there is really no need to spend IMO 100 to $200 bucks to get a gun runnng right. What C & S does is just really polsih the hell out of the gun and that itself smooths things up. I had my PM9 worked on by them and knowing what I know now, I wold never do it again. 80% waste of money and 7 months wait. Actually IMO the more rounds down range the better and smoother these kahrs operate. MY PM9 seems like it is running on glass. I can shoot it dry, wet, makes no difference... It was like that when I let C & s have it also and I could not really see and feel alot of difference when I got it back, other than my wallet was empty of "qlot" of money...
      . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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      • Just a quick reply to this thread. My new PM9, flawless to just under 400 rounds, has the barrel plating issue. I sent an email to Kahr support for info.
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        • Unclenunzie, surely not the best news of all, but quite surely that Kahr would provide you with approrpiate and necessary support.

          Send them some pix to give them some idea on your specific issue, and go from there. Some of us had a plating issue recently and Kahr took care of us by replacing the barrel. I cannot speak for others, but my original barrel was just like yours: functionally flawless sans barrel plating.

          Should Kahr suggest to you that a barrel replacement would be provided, then from my experience (read: YMMV), I suggest to return the complete gun to them for the reasons of "guaranteed fitment" and they can conduct some testing firing before returning to you, too.

          Inconvenience no doubt, and will also mean a repeat of the minimum 200 rds break-in process, but the bottom line is: Kahr CustomerService is helpful, and Kahr will do the necessary to resolve quality issue(s).

          Good luck and let us know how it goes.

          (and be prepared for "PM in-bound" from members.. )
          Last edited by wagon; 12-19-2009, 11:28 PM.

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          • Uncle---read this: http://kahrtalk.com/kahr-tech/527-re...pointment.html

            This explains what happened to some of us when we got the replacement barrels.

            When did you get your PM9? This year? Mine is from June 2009.

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            • Originally posted by deadhead1971 View Post
              Uncle---read this: http://kahrtalk.com/kahr-tech/527-re...pointment.html

              This explains what happened to some of us when we got the replacement barrels.

              When did you get your PM9? This year? Mine is from June 2009.
              Yep, read all the plating threads, and refreshed on this one just now. I bought mine in October 2009 NIB. I got an email back from Kahr service after writing in details about my plating in chamber and a little on the ramp. They said it is purely cosmetic but they will be happy to replace it if I send the old one back. Given all the troubles I've read about with fitment and the fact mine is 100% functional so far, I'm not hurrying to send it. I may simply keep an eye on it as I continue to shoot it, and decide from there. I don't want to go through the hassles, not after paying ~700 and just proofing my other little darling, LCP, who got sent twice for her NIB repairs

              I did re-email Kahr again just to be sure it's truly cosmetic only. I mean I kinda believe it, I just wish someone would say it with authority.
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              • I have an LCP too. I got it in April and have 300 rounds through it. Are you over here? elsiepeaforum.com

                Kahr said the same thing--it's cosmetic. However, once metal starts to flake and peel, it will only get worse. They replaced the barrel no questions asked. I was not having any problems but I just did not like the flaking inside the chamber. I have 160 rounds through the new barrel.

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                  Originally posted by unclenunzie View Post
                  Yep, read all the plating threads, and refreshed on this one just now. I bought mine in October 2009 NIB. I got an email back from Kahr service after writing in details about my plating in chamber and a little on the ramp. They said it is purely cosmetic but they will be happy to replace it if I send the old one back. Given all the troubles I've read about with fitment and the fact mine is 100% functional so far, I'm not hurrying to send it. I may simply keep an eye on it as I continue to shoot it, and decide from there. I don't want to go through the hassles, not after paying ~700 and just proofing my other little darling, LCP, who got sent twice for her NIB repairs

                  I did re-email Kahr again just to be sure it's truly cosmetic only. I mean I kinda believe it, I just wish someone would say it with authority.
                  cosmetic only but that being said SEND IT BACK. They will replace it with a new barrel. no questions asked. You can just send the barrel and can even send that regular mail for about $5. Yours was one in a batch taht got out and they are taking care of all who request it. One thing for certain,,,,IT AIN'T GONNA GET BETTER...
                  . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                  • Originally posted by jocko View Post
                    cosmetic only but that being said SEND IT BACK. They will replace it with a new barrel. no questions asked. You can just send the barrel and can even send that regular mail for about $5. Yours was one in a batch taht got out and they are taking care of all who request it. One thing for certain,,,,IT AIN'T GONNA GET BETTER...
                    Yeah, I'm gonna send it today. It can have a nice vacation and spa treatment in Worcester while I'm doing the same in Florida! Maybe we'll both get new tans.

                    Happy Holidays,

                    unclenunzie
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                    • Originally posted by deadhead1971 View Post
                      I have an LCP too. I got it in April and have 300 rounds through it. Are you over here? elsiepeaforum.com

                      Kahr said the same thing--it's cosmetic. However, once metal starts to flake and peel, it will only get worse. They replaced the barrel no questions asked. I was not having any problems but I just did not like the flaking inside the chamber. I have 160 rounds through the new barrel.
                      My situation too, based on all the comments and recommendations I decided not to wait and sent the barrel today. Used UPS with insurance, I know post office is ok, just didn't feel comfortable.

                      Guess Elsie Pea will be my only buddy (bud-ette?) until her big baby brother returns from the Great White North.

                      Yes I am unclenunzie on elsiepeaforum too.
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                      • Uncomfortable???

                        Originally posted by unclenunzie View Post
                        My situation too, based on all the comments and recommendations I decided not to wait and sent the barrel today. Used UPS with insurance, I know post office is ok, just didn't feel comfortable.

                        Guess Elsie Pea will be my only buddy (bud-ette?) until her big baby brother returns from the Great White North.

                        Yes I am unclenunzie on elsiepeaforum too.
                        I hope you do realize that it was 100% perfectly legal to send your barrel back to kahr via U. s. Postal system. I trust the Postal systme more than UPS..
                        . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                        • Yes, fully understand it's legal to ship a barrel...

                          by post office, I just prefer UPS. If it were to get lost, I'd rather work with UPS to find it than a psuedo-gov't agency.

                          But this is all academic, the barrel will get there and a new one will come to me soon after. And all will be as it should be
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                          • So is this barrel issue limited to the PM9?

                            Are there any cases of it happening in the P45, PM40, P380, etc????

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                            • The only folks here on this forum who have had this problem own PM9s. I am not aware of this with any other model.

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                              • Sorry to let you know, I stumbled on this forum because I was researching a problem I'm having on my MK9, I suspect the barrels are interchangeable, so nonetheless it seems to be an issue with the 3 inch 9MM barrels.

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