New PM45 Range Test

[Bawanna]

Thanks for the laugh, I have not laugh this hard in a long time!

aAAH, Thanks, another successful day. Dont take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive. Hope your day stays good.

[PigButtons]

Wow, last week it was the "NOTCH" problem with the PM45s. Now Mr. Wyn's got this breach face issue.

When I called Kahr two days after taking receipt of mine last week about my notch issue to see if I could just send the slide to have the notch machined in, they said they wanted the whole gun "to make sure that EVERYTHING is right".

I'm just guessing but there must have been a glitch in the CNC and QC world at Kahr in their latest production run of PM45s.

I'm sure they are going to make it right. But having to wait is a little frustrating.

P.S. I took mine back to the LGS and they were very glad to handle it for me. Larry's is a full service kind of place.

[a.squibload]

Side note:

I was in the woods sitting cross-legged doing my mantra
(Oooooooooooom) when a cow happened by, smirked, and
giggled a little.

I said "Hey, what the heck?"

The cow said "Sorry, it's just that you're doing it backwards,

it's Moooooooooo..."

[Bawanna]

Side note:

I was in the woods sitting cross-legged doing my mantra
(Oooooooooooom) when a cow happened by, smirked, and
giggled a little.

I said "Hey, what the heck?"

The cow said "Sorry, it's just that you're doing it backwards,

it's Moooooooooo..."

I've had that happen, awkward. Who do you think is really backward, us or the cow. Do you think theres any hari krishna cows? Are they kosher or dill?
Bawanna has left the building.

[a.squibload]

Not sure, however, the cow was bald except for a topknot...

[Bawanna]

Not sure, however, the cow was bald except for a topknot...

Where's our pictures or it didn't happen guy. Vinikar is that you? Topknot huh? Hmmm, sounds like a hari krishna cow to me. Was it a milk cow or a beef cow?
I actually ain't seen many of the hari's around lately but been a long time since I been downtown. Actually about the time ammo started drying up. Might be a hidden message in there somewhere.

[Vinikahr]

Where's our pictures or it didn't happen guy. Vinikar is that you? Topknot huh? Hmmm, sounds like a hari krishna cow to me. Was it a milk cow or a beef cow?
I actually ain't seen many of the hari's around lately but been a long time since I been downtown. Actually about the time ammo started drying up. Might be a hidden message in there somewhere.

Yeah this thread is worthless without picks, I picked that from other places or forums, from my days traveling to Missouri(show me State) and that always is not what you know is what can you prove. You see a picture is worth a thousand words. Here is more prove of it!:33:

[kramm]

I'm having the same issue's with my pm45 as Mr.Wyn.
when I contacted Kahr their response was to read the owners manuel. I had ,but I reread it. I've since returned it to Kahr. They got it today. I'm thankful Mr. Wyn explained the issue so well. Hopefully they will look at mine for the same thing.

[wyntrout]

Kramm, was yours doing like in my pictures -- the slide "stripper" resting on the cartridge rim rather than behind it?
I think it only happened with full magazines and pulling the slide all the way to the rear would probably have gotten the "stripper" behind the cartridge and then allowed the cartridge to be pushed forward into the chamber. But you certainly couldn't chamber a round with the slide locked back as the manual suggests doing.
From looking at the PM9, the PM45 didn't have much tolerance -- no "gap" like the PM9 had. I wonder what they will do to correct that. Beveling the lower leading edge of the stripper is a work-around what looks like a design or manufacturing flaw.
FedEx picked mine up Tuesday around 1PM, I believe. I hope there's a quick turnaround for both of us. I'm sure we're not the only ones with this particular problem.
Wynn

[kramm]

Yes it was. I also found as you did that by pulling the slide by hand that it would chamber the round. My other issue was that it would jam the round into the top of the barrel. I think the mags. may have something to do with that. Kahr told me my pm4544n was made on 1-25-10, so it should be an up-to date model.

[wyntrout]

I tried 2-3 times each to load the 5-shot mags, but didn't get a round chambered until I tried the 6-shot extended grip several times and then the 7-shot spare. I really never tried fully pulling the slide to the rear... at least not successfully, to chamber a round. I came up with the "squeeze-crunch" which worked, but I knew something was wrong there.
I did like how it shot after I got a round chambered, and that it fit my PM9's Minituck makes me think I could carry it CCW more ably than I had thought.

I weighed my Kahrs on a scale with 1 gram resolution accurate to +/- 10%:

Empty with mag / Bullets alone / Fully loaded
K9: 25.785 oz. / 3.492 oz. (7+1) / 29.383 oz.
PM45: 18.977 oz. / 4.48 oz. (5+1) / 23.386 oz.
PM9: 16.472 oz. / 3.069 oz. (6+1) / 19.5 oz.

Fully loaded, the PM45 is only 4.1 oz. more than the PM9 and 6 oz. less than the K9.
The P380 should be just a little under 14 oz. fully loaded.

Some comparison pictures (guns weren't cleaned yet):

[kramm]

I tried several things to try and get the rounds to chamber, kind of trial & error.
I really like the size of the pistol,a little thick but not as thick as my G36 and alot easier to conceal. I have a Bianchi pro 100 holster, I like the leather. I had bought it for the G36 but got a holster from High Noon, and use it for the glock. I had to tighten it up some and it doe's really well. I'm carring a PPK-380 while waiting for the Kahr to come home.A little light on power but better than throwing rocks.

[Bawanna]

I tried several things to try and get the rounds to chamber, kind of trial & error.
I really like the size of the pistol,a little thick but not as thick as my G36 and alot easier to conceal. I have a Bianchi pro 100 holster, I like the leather. I had bought it for the G36 but got a holster from High Noon, and use it for the glock. I had to tighten it up some and it doe's really well. I'm carring a PPK-380 while waiting for the Kahr to come home.A little light on power but better than throwing rocks.

If all things were running as they should you would opt for the PM45 over the G36? Without reservation? Brutal honesty requested. I'm hankering for a PM45 as everyone here by now knows but I'm a bit timid. I had a 36 before and a 30 and most of the others. Was thinking of getting another 36 until the PM's are worked out or better yet they make a steel 45 like a K series.
Just kind of curious to add your thoughts to the rest.

[wyntrout]

I've never fired a Glock and I just held one helping those ladies at the range the other day, but looks and size and action would make me choose the Kahr, but then I have never liked the thick, blocky Glocks. Come on in... the water's fine. After a trip or two back to the mothership for tweaking, (Ha! Ha!) you'll have the most compact and shootable .45 acp. JMHO, of course and I admit to bias!

Wynn

Don't forget the DLC... N/S optional... according to preference, but try to avoid that buyers' remorse.

[Vinikahr]

I've never fired a Glock and I just held one helping those ladies at the range the other day, but looks and size and action would make me choose the Kahr, but then I have never liked the thick, blocky Glocks. Come on in... the water's fine. After a trip or two back to the mothership for tweaking, (Ha! Ha!) you'll have the most compact and shootable .45 acp. JMHO, of course and I admit to bias!

Wynn

Don't forget the DLC... N/S optional... according to preference, but try to avoid that buyers' remorse.

Every gun out there with polymer frame, are a copy and or improvement of the Glock design even our beloved Kahrs. I loved them both. Every gun that I own has a mission!