New PM45 Range Test

[kramm]

If all things were equal and the pm45 was running as well as the glock doe's, I would take the kahr 1st.( because of the size). With the issues I've had with the pm45 I will need to regain confidence in it. I'm sure the issues can be delt with and it will as trustworthy as the glock. I would buy it again even knowing what I know now.

[a.squibload]

Hopefully it is a magazine problem, I forget, did you try more than one?
I bought extra PM40 mags from Kahr, one 6-round was not sealed in a bag, maybe used &
returned? No scratches, looked OK. It would not pick up the last round, and would
unlatch after round 5 was fired. Didn't drop out, just "unclicked". Sent it back, they sent
me a good one, works fine.

[jbaker]

If all things were running as they should you would opt for the PM45 over the G36? Without reservation? Brutal honesty requested. I'm hankering for a PM45 as everyone here by now knows but I'm a bit timid. I had a 36 before and a 30 and most of the others. Was thinking of getting another 36 until the PM's are worked out or better yet they make a steel 45 like a K series.
Just kind of curious to add your thoughts to the rest.

i really had to hang my head down before i typed this i woyuld choose the glock, NO WAIT... like you said if all things running as they should I WOULD PICK THE GLOCK, no im just messing around all things equal/EQUAL for a sub compact 45 i would , and did pick THE KAHR PM45 ALL THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.................. .............

[jocko]

I love

i really had to hang my head down before i typed this i woyuld choose the glock, NO WAIT... like you said if all things running as they should I WOULD PICK THE GLOCK, no im just messing around all things equal/EQUAL for a sub compact 45 i would , and did pick THE KAHR PM45 ALL THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.................. .............

my G19, best shooter I have ever owned. great gun, but u must like it to, it has it quirks some hat ethe blockeness of them, Bigger fatter grip. Never the two been an issue with me. Just a great gun.

That being said it tends to be my home safe queen, as my PM9 just fits in my pocket so perfectly and it has never let me down in over 25,000 rounds and as u all know if your glock or sig or hk or what ever is sitting at home and your out somewhere, then they really aren't worth a sh-t.. My PM9 fills that void perfectly every day..

Now if glock made a 9mm the size of the PM9 in weight to, would I own one?? You betcha I would.

[jbaker]

G19 grip fits me perfectly,the pm45 grip is fine for me too with the 5rnd mag i can get my pinky on and thats all that matters ,i like it, now back to this thread let me check and see if my pm45's breech face has a gap, hold on---- yes it does, verry little, but the stripper does sit behind the cartrage and if i pull the slide back all the way which is im sure how far it goes back when fireing the gap is bigger(plenty of room) mine was made in 08 though ser number sa745#

[Vinikahr]

my G19, best shooter I have ever owned. great gun, but u must like it to, it has it quirks some hat ethe blockeness of them, Bigger fatter grip. Never the two been an issue with me. Just a great gun.

That being said it tends to be my home safe queen, as my PM9 just fits in my pocket so perfectly and it has never let me down in over 25,000 rounds and as u all know if your glock or sig or hk or what ever is sitting at home and your out somewhere, then they really aren't worth a sh-t.. My PM9 fills that void perfectly every day..

Now if glock made a 9mm the size of the PM9 in weight to, would I own one?? You betcha I would.

It is important that if you carry a gun on you all the time, strange things happen when you do not have one on you. I carry 24/7 (yes you read correctly 24/7). Since Glock is not willing to give me (us) what I (we) want and other manufactures are, hence I own the Kahrs line which are my second favorite weapons on me. As the Oracle indicated(echo) should Glock come out with one that is as portable and convenient as the Kahr, I would buy it on heart beat!:33:

[Centaur 1]

Brass jackets wont' hurt a thing. It's softer than copper, harder than lead, and both have been shot for a long time out of barrels without a problem. Still way softer than the steel used in barrels, so no issues.

Heck, I'm looking at the required equipment to start making .45cal FMJ/JHP out of .40 casings and cast lead, and .40 FMJ/JHP out of 9mm casings and cast lead.

Hey everyone, I hate to go off topic like this but I feel that it's an important subject. Brass is much harder than copper. I did a little experimenting on my own when the only .357 magnum ammo that Walmart had was brass jacketed ammo. I shot and recovered both brass jacketed and copper jacketed bullets, then I did some measuring. The first thing that I noticed was the rifling marks on the bullets, they were much deeper on the copper jackets. The copper jackets were not only deeply engraved, but the outside diameter of the bullet was .357" which is the same as the groove diameter of my barrel. My barrel has a bore diameter of .351, which makes my rifling grooves .003" each. When I inspected the brass jacketed bullets the first thing that I noticed was that the rifling marks were barely noticeable. The outside diameter of these bullets were only .353", and the base of the bullets were severely deformed. What this means is that the outside of these bullets were squeezed from .357" down to .353" and the rifling marks were only .001" deep versus the .003" depth on the copper jackets. Two things are happening with the brass bullets when they're fired. First, the bullets are being swaged .004" smaller which takes a considerable amount of force, this will wear out a barrel much faster than with copper jacketed bullets. The second thing that is going on is the lack of a gas seal between the bullet and the barrel, since the bullet is being crushed .004" smaller than the groove diameter.

[jeep45238]

That has nothing to do with hardness. It does have everything to do with original size vs. bore size.

Let me guess the brass jacketed bullet you were testing : Remington Golden saber?

Golden sabers are smaller than usual everywhere but the very base, there it is slightly larger than normal. They call this the 'driving band', which allows a good gas seal and reduces friction between the barrel and the bullet.

What you were measuring has nothing to do with hardness or young's modulus.

[jbaker]

glock NEEDS to make a single stack line of sub-compacts

[jocko]

Here is

glock NEEDS to make a single stack line of sub-compacts

what I have been told. Like their 380 glock, it cannot be imported to the U.S. as it does not meet the minimum point requirement of rimportation, Only for sale to LEO's.

Same thing goes for the single stack glock. lack of points to import. Might be a cop out to but one would think that making a lighweight single stack in the size of kahrs would make alot of sense, unless glock cannot squeeze all their lower parts into such a thinner style frame..

[jbaker]

what I have been told. Like their 380 glock, it cannot be imported to the U.S. as it does not meet the minimum point requirement of rimportation, Only for sale to LEO's.

Same thing goes for the single stack glock. lack of points to import. Might be a cop out to but one would think that making a lighweight single stack in the size of kahrs would make alot of sense, unless glock cannot squeeze all their lower parts into such a thinner style frame..

you and the lower parts issue if they built around the current ejector housing and locking block a single stack mag they could stuff all 11parts in a thin frame

[jbaker]

they also probably dont build a single stack bc they dont care. i mean they have a good portion of the hg market as is, there doing fine and dont probably see the need.

[jeep45238]

they also probably dont build a single stack bc they dont care. i mean they have a good portion of the hg market as is, there doing fine and dont probably see the need.

Looking at the Gen 4 changes, it sure looks like the M&P series put a shiver down Glock's spine

[jocko]

and probably

Looking at the Gen 4 changes, it sure looks like the M&P series put a shiver down Glock's spine

so, I think Smith has captured some of the hughe market share glock owns with LEO agencies. It is really a nice gun IMO. certainly no better than a glock but probably just as good. Fur sure better looking. Oh and did someone mention AMERICAN MADE.

[kramm]

Hopefully it is a magazine problem, I forget, did you try more than one?
I bought extra PM40 mags from Kahr, one 6-round was not sealed in a bag, maybe used &
returned? No scratches, looked OK. It would not pick up the last round, and would
unlatch after round 5 was fired. Didn't drop out, just "unclicked". Sent it back, they sent
me a good one, works fine.


I used the two that came with it. Both did the same thing . It may not be the magazines, just wishful thinking.