Ammo Taylored To Micro Compacts

[joshh]

for 9mm: i read from an article and was confirmed by a winchester rep that a 147gr performs best overall in close (less than 25') situations when fired from a short barrel pistol. thats what i carry but i shoot 119gr federals at the range. they shoot almost the same, the recoil is similar and targeting is same at close range.

[wyntrout]

Hey guys! I was just looking up the Ballistics by the Inch for .45 ACP and noticed that there is a .380 ACP Part Deux that was added August 2010. It includes most of the popular new .380's, Kahr, LCP, Diamondback, P238, etc., AND, SOME of the ammo that you might be considering... worth a look:

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/380auto2010.html

Check out the muzzle energy comparison chart... great:

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/m...0auto2010.html

The Buffalo Bore leads the pack... the 90-gr. on top, followed by the 95-gr.

Wynn

[smokey337]

My PM40 really seems to like the Federal 165 HSTs. It shoots really well!

[Tilos]

I save this pic from another forum because it shows the most popular 9mm defense bullets test fired into water jugs(I think) and may be of interest in the dicussion.
I did not do this test and don't know who did.

[joshh]

those ranger t's on bottom left look brutal. was told the pdx is the same round with new bonding process to make it more effective

[jocko]

amen

Be happy the hammer falls and the powder burns.

to that

[garyb]

I like those sharp edges on the Winchester Ranger T's. Seems that the tear would cause more tissue damage if you had good penetration and expansion. I wonder how they compare in the 40 to the Corbon DPX in terms of ballistics, expansion and penetration? Are the Win T's commonly available or are they being phased out? The Win T's look like they may be a good contender to be considered. I had decided on the Corbon DPX but need to look into these Wins.

[garyb]

JoshH, I checked out a Utube video of the PDX bonded round. It appeared that the PDX mushroomed well, but it did not "appear" to have the same sharp pointed edges on the copper side. It could have simply been the video....I am not certain. Just giving feedback on an observation of the video of the PDX mushroomed bullet. I do like how the Win T's sharp pointed edges mushroom out. It does not look like this round is still in production. However it does seem that surplus inventory can still be purchased as a reasonable price in various grain bullets. Thanks for sharing the photo.

[ripley16]

It does not look like this round is still in production. However it does seem that surplus inventory can still be purchased as a reasonable price in various grain bullets. Thanks for sharing the photo.

As found on the Winchester web site.
http://www.winchester.com/Products/l...s/default.aspx

[Bawanna]

Far as I know it's still available. It is our duty round. I attended a Winchester workshop a few years back and I can tell you first hand that those mushroom petals are sharper than heck.

[jocko]

heh Bawanna: I attended a Winchester workshop a few years back


what did you build there, model airplanes, prefab homes maybe, boats, rebuild Harley's?? Sounds interesting. I go to the Home builders show in vegas alot, any chance of seeing the Wincehster workship booth there??

[Bawanna]

If you build it they will come.

Actually it was pretty cool. Dooley Enterprise, a winchester distributor puts them on. They have a big trailer they bring to your range and they got the ballistic gelatin. They shoot all the winchester bullets usually in 9, 40 and 45 against several other brands.
We put various stuff in front of the gelatin, denim, drywall, plywood etc. Even shot thru several pieces of windshield glass. Eye protection goes without saying.
It was funny because they had a gal, a prison employee shooting the 9 and the 40 and then another prison guy shooting the 45. During a break, lunch and stuff was provided I asked why she wasn't shooting the 45? She said it was just too much. I asked if she'd actually shot it and she said their instructor told her not to bother.
I told her if she could shoot the 40, they were all Glocks as I recall she'd have no issue with the 45. After the break I asked if they would allow her to shoot the 45 just for fun. The smile on her face and the total turn around was worth tons. After that she shot them all.
There were about 40 people from various agencies watching. At the end they give the hosting agency in this case the prison a bullet board with all the bullets actually shot that day all labeled with what they are and what they were shot thru. Kind of cool.

[wyntrout]

As found on the Winchester web site.
http://www.winchester.com/Products/l...s/default.aspx

Dang! I did a comparison of the .380, the 124-gr and 147-gr 9mm's. the 147-gr seems to accelerate after 25 yards and the energy increases! WOW!

Check that out.

I use the RA380T for carry and have BB 90-gr JHP and 95-gr FN +P loads as well.

Wynn

[joshh]

got to do a vest test with a brand new safariland vest & some kevlar chest plates over the summer and it was amazing to see the performance of it with the different rounds. from what we observed with my pm9, the 147gr pdx was best performer. the pdx "talons" did open in the layers of the vest. we had to cut them out while the other 9mm rounds just mushroomed or broke apart.
if i was leo i would feel very confident in the ability of those safariland vests! we shot 1 vest with 1 round each of 9mm, .40, .357mag & .45, all w/in 25' and no penetration even when it was hit off the chest plate.

[wyntrout]

I wonder how it would do with .22 magnum on and off the plate. When I returned from 'Nam back in '68, I brought back a horse-collar-like vest for frontal protection. It was less than 1" thick and I doubled it by pulling one side over the other... it opened down the front. My 9mm High Power went through one side and was stopped by the second side. I think that the .22RFM went through both sides. The test was unscientific and the guns were fired while standing over the vest which was on the grassy ground.
The 9mm was FMJ and I think that the .22RFM was as well, but not sure.
The Hawes 5"(?) SA pistol was the same one that I used the .22 LR cylinder to put one cleanly through my thigh... hollow point and it didn't mushroom(I guess) and didn't cause much damage. That smaller and faster .22 RFM can really penetrate, especially the FMJ-type.
<Sigh> I was emulating my Hero Clint Eastwood... from the "Dollars" series, but my finger was quicker than my draw... or my leg.

Wynn