Good Friend Got Into A Gun Fight

[OldLincoln]

Although I have night sights on my CM9 and Glock 30, I would probably say that sights had zero to do with this case of SD. There is just no way to have time to properly aim using sights. More than likey, just getting the gun pointed in the right direction quickly is all you could most likely do.

A CT laser grip would be the most beneficial for something like this IMO.

My inquiry may have been missed along the way. I know in this case (likely most cases) the first shot was without sighting. Given the answer I received from the OP it's obvious the perp rolled behind cover then ran.

The opportunity to ask questions of an incident that happened in these conditions doesn't happen often and my question was in regard to any followup aiming toward the perp after the first shot. It was only if he considered night sights useful in this particular situation for followup sighting.

The reason is everybody seems to know down to the fly specks exactly what they will do in a situation. But of course most of that goes out the window when the shotgun is stuck in their face. Just having night sights does not mean you will actually use them, so I wanted to find out if they were used in this case. Next will come I'd rather have them and not use them than not have them when I need them. I'll agree with that also, but that wasn't my question. Again, were they actually used in this particular situation. However, I don't think I care any more. I'll take it that he didn't hold sights on target and let it go.

[doc540]

Just got home from spending a couple of hours with my friend.

He's doing well, but they took his gun until the investigation is complete.

So what does a good friend do?

I loaned him my CM9.

He said he not only didn't use his sights, he doesn't remember any loud noise or recoil.

He swept the shotgun muzzle away with his left hand, drew and fired across his lap with his right.

The perp saw the gun as he drew and began to step backwards.

When he fired the perp was moving/falling towards the rear of the truck.

It don't work like in the movies, friends.

[BimmerBob]

If the DA in my jurisdiction decides the shooting is proper then the weapon is mandated to be returned within 2 business days. Plaintiffs attornies have carped and moaned but once the DA determines the shooting is legal there is NO CIVIL LIABILITY to be concerned with so the schyster, low rent, bottom feeders aka attornies do not matter.

Wow, good for them. It's irritating that in many places (apparently) some dirtbag perp's dirtbag lawyer can have your personal property more or less indefinitely confiscated, when all you did was legally defend yourself with it.

[Longitude Zero]

He said he not only didn't use his sights, he doesn't remember any loud noise or recoil.

It is called Auditory Exclusion and is one of several well documented physical reactions to a use of deadly force incident. There are others.

Bimmer as a furtherance if the DA does charge you then you are found not-guilty the plaintiffs bar will have its bite at you and then the weapon can be held pretty much until the entire appelate civil case is concluded. Can you say a decade or more.

[knkali]

It is called Auditory Exclusion.

But your ears will still ring afterward

[dkmatthews]

Hooray for the good guys in BMT! I've got lots of family in that town and it's great to hear the BG's failed (for once)!

[Longitude Zero]

But your ears will still ring afterward

Mine never did.

[doc540]

One MILLION dollar bond!

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/ne...in-3783003.php

[OldLincoln]

Hey that's great Doc. Maybe this thing will be over soon and you can get your gun back.

[dkmatthews]

Time have never been "good" in Beaumont, but things sure do seem to have gotten worse over the last 40+ years... I sure am glad the good guys came through clean on this one!

[doc540]

Hey that's great Doc. Maybe this thing will be over soon and you can get your gun back.

No rush

Dropped by the studio this afternoon and gave him the extra mag loaded with Barnes DPX.

[espresso]

What a friend!

I bet you were honored to loan him your gun....I know I'd be.

I'm just glad it worked out like it did. It really sounds like a textbook case of how to do things

[7shot]

No rush

Dropped by the studio this afternoon and gave him the extra mag loaded with Barnes DPX.

Just currious... could your friend go out and purchase a new gun after this happened? Not saying this is what he should of done just wondering if there is a law preventing this. Glad all worked out for your friend...

[jdlott74]

Just currious... could your friend go out and purchase a new gun after this happened? Not saying this is what he should of done just wondering if there is a law preventing this. Glad all worked out for your friend...

In the state of Texas no. As long as he has his CHL he should be able to.

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[mcbowflex]

Man why he didn't unload the whole mag in that FH I'll never know? If someone has a shotgun pointed at my head and I get a chance to shoot first, I'm putting all 8 into him. Your buddy is lucky the BG's shotgun probably wasn't loaded, that's all I can say. I'm thinking if it was he'd been shot too and probably gottin the worst of it, even if he did get a chance to shoot multiple times.

If he didn't get the shots off before the guy started running, his friend would likely be in jail. The BG was no longer a threat when he was fleeing. You really can't make a case of self defense when you shoot someone in the back. I recommend to anyone who conceals a firearm that they read the book "In the Gravest Extreme" It covers a lot of things most people wouldn't think about. Like shooting someone in the back when the threat is no longer there, or pursuing after the BG after he flees. Neither of which are things you should do.