Zimmerman defense fund is running dry

[Popeye]

I am making the point that the police are not under any obligation to protect life and property. Ultimately you are. Think about it. If the police were obligated, then they could be sued when someone is robbed or killed.
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Knkali sorry if I offended you. It happens,I do that sometimes to people. I did not call you and idiot, but this statement IMO is pretty idiodic. I'm responsible for my family and home. I'm not a cop or trained in any sort of law enforcement and don't you think I could be sued or loose everything I've ever worked for also when someone is robbed or killed do to my inexperienced conduct. (Zimmerman seems to have lost it all)
As always pulling my gun will be when all else fails. If others want to carry a gun that's there business, if they do not that's there business also, but it does not mean I'm obligated to protect them and risk everything when the cops are not are obligated according to you. I mean we would want them to get sued now would we.
Everyone knows my feelings on this,story of two knuckleheads. Some agree some don't and I'm more than cool with that. In my 66 years the skin has gotten pretty tough. Now I'm ready to move on, and again if I hurt your feeling or offended you I'm sorry and I'll do my best not to do it again. Be warned though I'm not very good at it.

[JimC]

According to what I understand he was not "on watch", he was headed out to go shopping. Thus it was perfectly fine to go armed.

Also according to what I understand and the 911 tape seems to bear witness he stopped following Trayvon when he was told to do so. According to the time line I have seen he was apparently walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked.

Now I wasn't there and I can not say 100% what occured BUT the evidence I have heard (911 tape) seems to show what I have seen to be correct.

Living in FL and seeing this BS unfold everyday on every TV news channel, I have a different recollection of what took place.

IMO, Zimmerman is still an as&*%le.

[jocko]

I carry to protect me, myself and I and my family, not to prtect the neighbor or the guy down the street. If my subdivision wanted a watch prson I would have no part of it.

Carrying a gun is a major thing for any person to do. There are just today to many ramifications to carrying a gun. If I see a guy beating his wife in the back yard, should Istop and shoot the bad guy and think I am a hero, only to later find out that the bg was her husband and he just came home and found his wife had killed two of his kinds and was on the thrid kid and he was trying to stop her. Stupid sceanario I know and I hate scenario's to but stupid things happen. Just ask zimmerman.

I have been on this gun forum since day one and I have seen what I feel are some real Rambo's and personally I would not want that fella living next to me.

If zimmerman wasn't white and Trevor black, we would not even be reading this crapola and when the DOJ gets involved it is a lynch mob ordered by obama and that is why I am concerned.. I don';t care one way or the utter what u all think of the case. IT DESERVES A FAIR AND BALANCED TRIAL..

[JimC]

Also shame on the rodent in the White House for making the statement if he had a son he'd look just like Tryvette or Tyrone, I forget the name now.

What possible help could that provide with situation.

That's kind of making a statement if I ever heard one.

While I agree with you, "they" put him and her back in the WH.
The takers will prevail everytime.

[knkali]

Knkali sorry if I offended you. It happens,I do that sometimes to people. I did not call you and idiot, but this statement IMO is pretty idiodic. I'm responsible for my family and home. I'm not a cop or trained in any sort of law enforcement and don't you think I could be sued or loose everything I've ever worked for also when someone is robbed or killed do to my inexperienced conduct. (Zimmerman seems to have lost it all)
As always pulling my gun will be when all else fails. If others want to carry a gun that's there business, if they do not that's there business also, but it does not mean I'm obligated to protect them and risk everything when the cops are not are obligated according to you. I mean we would want them to get sued now would we.
Everyone knows my feelings on this,story of two knuckleheads. Some agree some don't and I'm more than cool with that. In my 66 years the skin has gotten pretty tough. Now I'm ready to move on, and again if I hurt your feeling or offended you I'm sorry and I'll do my best not to do it again. Be warned though I'm not very good at it.

Thanks Popeye for the apology. Water under the bridge. I really do understand your position on these issues. Obligated was a strong word to use when discussing what civilians do or not do to protect life and property. The word "obligated" connotes that you have no personal liberty to make a decision on the matter which is clearly not the case.

[knkali]

I carry to protect me, myself and I and my family, not to prtect the neighbor or the guy down the street. If my subdivision wanted a watch prson I would have no part of it.

Carrying a gun is a major thing for any person to do. There are just today to many ramifications to carrying a gun. If I see a guy beating his wife in the back yard, should Istop and shoot the bad guy and think I am a hero, only to later find out that the bg was her husband and he just came home and found his wife had killed two of his kinds and was on the thrid kid and he was trying to stop her. Stupid sceanario I know and I hate scenario's to but stupid things happen. Just ask zimmerman.

I have been on this gun forum since day one and I have seen what I feel are some real Rambo's and personally I would not want that fella living next to me.

If zimmerman wasn't white and Trevor black, we would not even be reading this crapola and when the DOJ gets involved it is a lynch mob ordered by obama and that is why I am concerned.. I don';t care one way or the utter what u all think of the case. IT DESERVES A FAIR AND BALANCED TRIAL..

Of course discretion is needed when to use force. 99% of the time, my use of deadly force is confined to protecting me and my family. However, getting involved doesnt automatically mean that gun play is mandatory. Making your presence known, letting suspicious characters know that they have been seen and or just letting a neighbor know something is amiss can be effective and a great adjunct to calling the police.

Jfootin said something about gun ownership and CCW that was very good: "It is a deadly serious responsiblity to own guns, and much more so to carry a loaded gun. It challenges me to be adult, responsible, practiced and competent, ready to behave bravely and prudently if the s.h.t.f."

[ORSalesRep]

I've never been much for holding back, I pretty much speak what I believe to be true. So I guess the short answer is they just pop up.

Due to offending some previously who feel I need to respect the office of the president I've apparently subconciously strived to come up with non racially motivated descriptors. Think "Monkey", "Missing link" etc. I hate myself.

As for respect for the office, as soon as we get a real president I'll have nothing but proper respect.

I can respect the office and what it represents without rrspecting the asshat in the office!

[jocko]

yearsago,we neerseparatedthe office of the president and the person. Wewere taught when I wasinschool to respect the president of the united states. Obamma has made me change the way I feel, not the office of the president.

Same way we were all taught to respect our parents but look at the youth today, do u see that??? You wouldnt go stickin fokking pins and sh!it in ur tongues or noses if u did. I guess I am just gettin to old to understand. were probablyt gonna see a muff diver as our next president in 2016:israel:

[aKahrt_and_p2KT]

it's such bs how all the witnesses have changed their reports since the crap hit the fan on this one. Everyone is scared.

[Chief Joseph]

if you look at a gun, talk about a gun, own a gun or shoot a gun, it is a political thing. Has been for many years and seemingly will be for many more years to come. The only people that should help this guy is you and me if so inclined. A free man after trial is the best political statement that can be made but the NRA is not in a position to help that. In fact, distance from the NRA is probably a better position to help Zimr. The presence of the NRA could be inflamatory and over reaching in this case.

Politics and guns, this has always been true about guns. I could never understand pro gun sights who wanted politics out. Guns ARE POLITICS and to put your head in the sand is completely stupid. That's why my tolerance for supposed liberal gun owners is gone, you CAN NOT BE BOTH.

[Chief Joseph]

From all I understand, zimmerman is an obama loving democRAT. Right up until those he supported targeted him at least. Sorry, but if this were different individual, I have a feeling zimmerman would be on the lefts side attacking said individual. I'll support real American Conservatives, not liberals who get bit by the side they HELPED TO POWER.

[Popeye]

Politics and guns, this has always been true about guns. I could never understand pro gun sights who wanted politics out. Guns ARE POLITICS and to put your head in the sand is completely stupid. That's why my tolerance for supposed liberal gun owners is gone, you CAN NOT BE BOTH.

You are so right Chief. It's so much of politics and important that our founding fathers chose to make it the second ammendment. Not the 3rd, 10th, last, or not at all.

[jocko]

I really have no feeling towards what party he belonged to, I have never red that but again if it is true, makes zero difference to me. I just want him to get a fair and balanced trial. I would think we all would want that, not this vigilante type that the blacks and obummer want.

Because he is a democrate, fokk him let um hang him: Hellof an attitude to have towards anyone..

[Bawanna]

That's kind of my attitude, if he's a democrat go ahead an hang him, no great loss.

Course based on what I've read there never should have been an arrest, let alone a trial.

[gmcjetpilot]

Obama was elected TWICE with a legal process. If you can't respect that
you are not a patriot. We could have done worse. Do you think George
Dub was a great president or the greatest!? Ha ha. Also what is up with
++80 year old politicians? Can we get some ****ing term limits.

Do you all really thing Republicans are better? Ha ha! Politicians are ALL
partisan D-bags that look out for their self and their biggest contributors
and lobbyist cronies, not you and me. When you go partisan you stop
thinking. Obama has droned bombed the crap out of terrorist, spied on
everyone and got Osama-ben-dead. Amen.

We are no longer a homogeneous nation like we were for the most
part from 1800's through the last 70 years from 1920 to 1990.... we are
"racially diverse" and have to deal with that fact, good bad and ugly. Also
whites will not be dominate politically or particularly respected. Expect to
be discriminated against (more). News flash ALL races are racist. It is
human nature to stick with people who look like you. Not that this is bad
in it self, but whites will be a minority.

If the GOP wants to win they better do better than a very old pasty
white man whose main message is anti gay, anti abortion,
anti immigration and pro guns. Nothing wrong with that platform,
but just saying it will not win. Whining about Obama is not going to do
anything and will not win any votes.

[Just so you know I am registered un-affiliated, can watch Fox or NBC
with out my head exploding. I am not "Independent" or libertarian. I
realize we have to deal with the two party system, but that is not what
the founding fathers wanted and warned against it. I am a Christian,
right of center, and I'm team America, not beholding to political parties.]