SFO Aircraft Accident Tower Audio

[MD_Vet]

This is audio from the ATC during the 777 accident at SFO...

http://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.ama...KSFO-Crash.mp3

[ltxi]

ATC doing their job. What?

[downtownv]

sounded like the pilot advised of a problem ATC called in Emergency vehicles while at 3000 feet.

[MD_Vet]

sounded like the pilot advised of a problem ATC called in Emergency vehicles while at 3000 feet.

I don't think so...traffic was being handled normally by ATC and then you can hear someone in the area of the guy on the tape report the accident, then you can hear the pilot of the flight say something (unintelligible to me) and the ATC controller replay that emergency equipment is on the way. Then the pilot says something else, the controller is issuing go around instructions to other aircraft and clearing emergency crews to the crash site.

[ltxi]

sounded like the pilot advised of a problem ATC called in Emergency vehicles while at 3000 feet.

He lost it on landing. Take away here....don't fly on third world country and/or low dollar airlines. They hire Burger King help.

[muggsy]

He lost it on landing. Take away here....don't fly on third world country and/or low dollar airlines. They hire Burger King help.

Not true. All pilots of commercial aircraft are highly qualified. Remember, Itxi, the pilot is usually the first one at the scene of an accident and he doesn't want to die anymore than you do, unless of course, he's an Islamic Jehadists.

[ltxi]

Not true. All pilots of commercial aircraft are highly qualified. Remember, Itxi, the pilot is usually the first one at the scene of an accident and he doesn't want to die anymore than you do, unless of course, he's an Islamic Jehadists.

I'm be assumin' that was facetious.

[OldLincoln]

It will be interesting to find out if it was a tail strike of the sea wall without malfunction. Those planes have a ton of ILS stuff and horns would have been going off all over. Hard to figure he flew something like 5K miles only to mess up a landing. I used to almost mess up my pants coming in so low over the water not being able to see land on the approach. I wish them all well.

[ltxi]

"For whatever reason, they appeared to go low on approach and then the airplane pitched up suddenly to an extreme attitude, which could have been the pilots trying to keep it out of the ground."

Burger King Help Rejects.....screw up the approach, then stall a heavy, and rip off the tail. Would you like fries with that?

[Alfonse]

The way that aircraft burned is interesting too. Do 777s have a composite fuselage? The way it is burned at the top doesn't look like aluminum to me.

[Planedude]

The crash ripped the APU (AUX POWER UNIT) out of the tail. That unit is a small jet in its own right and with the fuel and power leads that run to it a fire of some sort was just too likely.
He was way low and seemed to start his go around way late. Still the 777 is a tough bird all but two teenage girls sitting at the very back made it out alive.
While 10% of the Fuselage of a "triple seven" is made from composites the shell of the bird is Aluminum.
This NTSB report will be interesting...

[CJB]

A couple of observations -

The ILS is out at the airport, and the NOTAM says its gonna be out till Aug 21, 2013. That covers both the ILS localizer and glideslope. Makes me go hmmm, on a major airport? Sill they were under VFR. There is a supplimental system, either PAPI or VASI that is a series of lights on or close to the runway which show the glideslope. Those have been reported to be intermittant in operation. WTF ? At San Fran? No way... but yes way.


Observation #2 - cops and firefighters on the ground had to literally throw knives up the chutes to the aircrew, in order for them to be able to cut the seatbelts of trapped passengers. Think about that for a sec.... jeeze. Not even a safety belt cutter on board due to anti terrorism measures.

Observation #3 - CNN reported that the head of the airline, in his press conference, started by bowing is head, in symbolic apology. Which is exactly what our bastard president, Obummer does whenever he meets a fookin foreigner.

[ltxi]

VASI was down also. "Explains" a lot more/brings some more sense to picture. Best concise summary opinion I've found off av forums. Pretty close to my first thoughts.

"Predictions: Since the ILS and VASI were OTS (out of service) the flying pilot (Captain or First Officer) was flying a visual approach totally "seat of the pants". Flight Data Recorder will indicate an unstabilized approach that began too high at the Final Approach Fix. A higher than rapid descent rate was commanded at an angle higher than the normal 3 degree glide path. In the final 30 seconds Cockpit Voice Recorder will show the Captain and First arguing about the situation until aircraft ended up low and slow with power applied too late to fully recover. In an effort not to land short the flying pilot commanded a nose high attitude and the aircraft struck the breakwater wall short of the runway in a very nose high attitude in a partially stalled (aerodynamically, that is) condition with engines commanded at full power but most likely not yet developing full power due to spool up delay. End of story...."

[MikeyKahr]

Re: SFO Aircraft Accident Tower Audio

Raw video of Asiana 214 crash by bystander:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Orw3rbj5MI

[CJB]

looks like he was damn near draggin in the water for a ways.....