Wish list for Kahr - Double Stack

[Bawanna]

Yeah we just had a shooting around here someplace, can't remember exactly where. Suspect armed with a cell phone, 2 officers, 20 shots fired.

Protest already under way.

[finpro]

Good News: Most of us will not likely be in a gunfight. I saw statistics indicating that fewer than 1% of police, whose job obligates them to look for trouble, will engage in a shooting in their entire careers. Some of this may be because, with SWAT teams, only a small group of police will be called to engage in predictable shootings, but it illustrates how rarely shootings occur. Still, most KahrTalkers have made their own decisions that carrying a defensive handgun is an option that we want to have.

A 9mm pistol with a 10 round or higher capacity double stack mag can have a grip width of 1". This is the advertised measurement of a Sig P365 and a Kel-Tec P-11. Kahr polymer 9mm grips measure 0.9" - a 0.1" difference in width. Many Kahr polymer owners choose to add grip sleeves which likely make the grip widths equal. Thicker grips diminish felt recoil by spreading it over a larger portion of the hand. A P-11 mag is slightly shorter than a P9/CW9 mag and contains 10 rounds instead of the Kahr's 7 rounds. There were once P-11 replacement followers to upgrade a P-11 mag to 12, but I found them unreliable. (A 12 round Smith and Wesson mag was usable and added about 1/2" to the grip, but was better for shooting.) So, is the extra 3 rounds a major game changer? I think it is not very likely, but possible, especially in situations with multiple attackers or when more misses occur. I think I would feel slightly safer with extra three rounds at a cost of only 0.1" in grip width and modest extra weight. When carrying a single stack pistol, I usually carry an extra mag. When carrying a double stack, I usually do not.

[MMyers1970]

With Sig's new compact 9mm, one would hope that Justin Moon could start thinking about a double stack CW9. The grip shouldn't have to be any wider than a Ruger SR9 or even a CW45 to cram 3 more rounds in the magazine, thereby maintaining the brand's reputation for slim pistols.
The company ought to keep up with the game if it wants to stay in it, IMO.

Call it the DSS9 or even include a DSST9.

Thoughts?

Kahr could have done this years ago. SIG has said they designed the P365 around the magazine. Kahr is already known for making thin pistols,and a big reason they are so thin is the offset feed ramp, which is patented. So all Kahr needs to do is design a double stack magazine that narrows to a single stack(which is the Cliffs Notes version of their engineering feat) and they're in.

SIG is selling every P365 they make. Every one my LGS gets in(and he seemingly just gets in one at a time) ends up on Gunbroker for $700 or more.

A Kahr CM9 which is double stack would sell like hotcakes.

[ltxi]

Good News: Most of us will not likely be in a gunfight. I saw statistics .........

Awww damn, too late for me. Way too late...

An added thought I missed before. I routinely summer vacation travel through state(s) where possession of >8 round mags are illegal. Causes me to leave my u&c Glock car guns at home.

[WMac19]

I fear they intentionally missed the boat on a sub double stack.

I love my three Kahrs, LOVE them. I wasn't attracted to the brand per se, I was lured by small and light relative to caliber. Hence my eventual purchase of a PM9, PM40 and PM45. My affinity for the brand was then born.

That said, I'm still all about small and light relative to caliber above any allegiance to brand.

More capacity within a similar size and modest weight increase qualifies and piques my interest. So once I feel that Sig has ironed out its issues, I'll be buying a P365.

If it were Kahr with a similar release, I'd have bought that one instead without a moment's second thought.

If Sig develops a .45 and .40 equally similar to the PM/CM size yet again with superior capacity, I'd likely be in the market for at least one of them too.

That could likely signal one man's migration away from Kahr. Only it wouldn't be one man, it will be thousands and it's a tide Kahr could have stemmed years ago.

Damn shame.

[Armybrat]

Well, maybe Mr. Moon would rather be a expander instead of an innovator these days. What is the next acquisition target, High Point? Kel Tec?

[Bawanna]

I sure hope not. The Kahr umbrella has been associated with quality. Doesn't need to get into the plumbing business.

[JohnR]

I might as well go all the way and ask for a double stack K45. If I get half of that I’ll be glad.

[berettabone]

I own the only Kahr that I own for a specific mode of carry. Anything else and I prefer my HK........................................Kahr is definitely a niche firearm that many have not heard of. Flame me if you will. I have to agree with what has been mentioned about the .380. Seems to be the poster child for issues, when they happen, and at the cost of ammunition these days, might as well carry something with a bit more firepower, and a bit more reliability. In my book, the bigger the hole, the better. Ammo has improved, but not as much as people think. If you can purchase a Kahr that is the same size regardless of caliber, I don't understand why you wouldn't want increased firepower. Forget about the " well, it's better than nothing at all." So is a slingshot, and I don't see too many people carrying one of those. To me, that statement has so much give up, it's pathetic. Maybe Moon has enough $$$$$$$$$$$$, and he wants to stay with the status quo. Developing new firearms takes lots of $$$$$$$$. I'll stick with my .40 cal..................I don't mind shooting twice if I have to.

[ARH1956]

I am a Kahr guy. I own 8 including 3 PM9's, one with the external safety. One of my Kahr's has been back for work, a PM40, all the others have worked perfectly. I am loving my new P365 as well. With the flush mag there is little difference in conceal ability between it and a PM9 and it fits the same holsters. My PM9 holsters accommodate a CT laser model PM9. Even with the 12 round mags it is amazingly concealable. If Sig offers the rumored P365 with an external safety, my wife will likely give up her PM9 for it. She insists on a manual safety although she carried a S&W .38 previously.

[Blairsville1946]

So far I haven't seen any concealed carry firearm that I would buy to replace my cw9 - neither price or quality are any better. Kahr for concealed carry, let other companies try to make something for every other reason people buy firearms.

[Barth]

I've got plenty of polymer double stack guns.
A bobtail commander sized K45 is my dream gun from Kahr. I'd pre-order one, paid in full, today if I could...

[Bawanna]

You want the same Kahr trigger in that K45? I'm taking orders.

I do love a nice bobtail.

[Armybrat]

I know there are numerous plastic double stacks - some are even compacts. But I don't like them as they are all too bulky - just like their single stack nines.
I want a slim Kahr double stack CW9. Slimmer than everyone else's offering, and with Kahr's clean, simple, & attractive styling.

[Barth]

1911 45 commander size with a Kahr Trigger - Oh My

You want the same Kahr trigger in that K45? I'm taking orders.

I do love a nice bobtail.

I so wish you weren't kidding old friend - LOL!

It's strange too.
Kahr owned Magnum Research and Auto-Ordnance both make 1911s.
You'd think the companies could collaborate and produce a righteous Kahr trigger, commander sized, bobtailed K45.
Maybe you can orchestrate a limited run group buy

What a way to kick off 2018