Accidental discharges

[CJB]

My wife killing me doesn`t scare me.However,I firmly believe she could make me wish I was dead and that`s far worse.

Well that seriously answers the question: Does true love last forever, or does it only seem like forever?

[atv223]

Please excuse my ignorance on the subject, I've only had my PM9 a week (haven't even shot it yet), have only shot a Glock a couple of times and my other gun is an HK USP Compact .45.

Prior to reading this thread, I would have thought a Glock and a Kahr have similar "safeties" or lack of, however, a couple of posters imply they wouldn't own a Glock, considering this is a Kahr site I assume those posters are Kahr owners based on this logic, I am getting the impression that most would not classify the Glock and Kahr in the same camp when it comes to the action/safety design.

Would someone please educate me? Thanks!

[rwblue01]

Please excuse my ignorance on the subject, I've only had my PM9 a week (haven't even shot it yet), have only shot a Glock a couple of times and my other gun is an HK USP Compact .45.

Prior to reading this thread, I would have thought a Glock and a Kahr have similar "safeties" or lack of, however, a couple of posters imply they wouldn't own a Glock, considering this is a Kahr site I assume those posters are Kahr owners based on this logic, I am getting the impression that most would not classify the Glock and Kahr in the same camp when it comes to the action/safety design.

Would someone please educate me? Thanks!

I am a new Kahr person also. Setting here with several Glocks and a PM9, I purchased the pm9 because it was like the glock.

Both of them are like revolvers, you pull the trigger and the gun goes bang.

For the Kahr, the trigger pull is longer and harder. (It is lighter pull than any of my revolvers.)

For the Glock it is shorter and lighter (but has a block that "should" keep the trigger from going back).

[jocko]

kahrs have a 3/8" trigger travel and is basically about 10% in a precocked position.

My G19 glock has a much shorter trigger pull (travel) and is basicaly 50% pre cocked. There is a difference. I shoot my G19 far better due to the short trigger system and I have a siderlock trigger safety kit in my G19 which makes me feel so so much safer than the standard glock SAS. Basically keep ur finger out of the trigger area and both will serve u well. I would not stick either in my pocket unless in a pocket holster than covered the trigger system . Most glocks I am told come with a 5# factory trigger in them, kahrs from the factory are around 7 to 7-5#

don't misinterpret us kahr guys, we think alot of glock and what they have done for the shooting industry. It is still the weapon of choice for over 60-% of law enforecment. But a glock and a kahr are IMO two real different guns.

In a firefight (what eve rin the hell that is), I would grab my 15 round G19 over my PM9.. but in my pocket 24/7 is my PM9..

[O'Dell]

don't misinterpret us kahr guys, we think alot of glock and what they have done for the shooting industry. It is still the weapon of choice for over 60-% of law enforecment. But a glock and a kahr are IMO two real different guns.

In a firefight (what eve rin the hell that is), I would grab my 15 round G19 over my PM9.. but in my pocket 24/7 is my PM9..[/QUOTE]


This is one "Kahr guy" who doesn't care for Glocks. They don't fit my hand so I don't shoot them well, plus I don't completely trust them. I think you will find that they are the choice of 60% of police department bean counters rather than the officers. My local city police dept. issues them, and I know a lot of the officers because they come into the Diner. Most don't really like them much, but they have no choice. Two, I know, carry a S&W when off duty.

If I am in a 'fire fight' or home defence situation, I would grab an HK without hesitation, but I don't carry them much except in really cold weather.

[Bawanna]

Part of the problem we face in outfitting officers is all the stuff that goes with the gun. The holsters, the mag pouches, parts, on and on and on.
When we transitioned from Beretta's we had a really good commander willing to really look at all options. We looked at the Springfield XD, the lead firearms instructors choice, the Smith M&P, my first choice and the Glock, all in 45. Nobody wanted the Glock simply because everyone else has them. That theres a clue.
The M&P was still relatively new in the 45 with the XD not far behind. The issue we had was we couldn't find holsters for them. EVen the Glock in 45 was a challenge, lots in 9 and 40 but more limited in 45.
We toyed with the idea of letting officers choose from a menu but found that it created a multitude of other things to consider. Again parts, keeping up on armorer classes, the instructors dealing with different platforms even though they are all very similar.
They opted to stick with just one and it ended up being Glock. We did send every single one, 5 at a time to Robar for grip texture (a common complaint they are too slippery) and many had grip reductions which made a huge improvement in the feel also.
Quite often office people who are clueless to the needs of their officers make poor decisions but as in our case there were other considerations.
Our local county sheriffs have just recently switched to Smith M&P's. So far I'm told they love them. The holster options are much better than they were a couple years ago. Guess it's all about timing.

[rwblue01]

Nobody wanted the Glock simply because everyone else has them. That theres a clue.

Please explain?

[Bawanna]

Please explain?

I remember when we did our first transition from Beretta 92's. I was trying to figure out good options. I asked several officers what we should consider.
They said anything but a Glock. I inquired why since they have a pretty darn good over all reputation especially in Law Enforcement.
They were basically thinking 90 percent of the cadets at academy are carrying Glocks, so we want something different.

In my book, that's not sound thinking at all. There's a reason 90 % have Glocks and we should have went with them in the first place.

We went with Beretta 96's in 40. They worked well, I had no problems.

We have some very sharp and excellent officers and firearms instructors. 2 have each spent 3 years teaching at the academy, they know their stuff but when it comes to simple common sense stuff, they are kind of lacking.

Our first transistion they were in a big hurry to make it happen before the brass changed their mind. They made bad choices in their haste.

[jocko]

seems nobody wants what every one else has, guess maybe thats why wre karhsters instead of glocksters..

[Rainman48314]

There are aftermarket safety options for Glocks. Some attach to the trigger, some build a safety into the frame, and some are really just kits to change the stock 5.5# trigger to as much as 11#

http://www.tarnhelm.com/GlockSafety.html

http://www.topglock.com/item/68035_S...User_Inst.aspx

[rwblue01]

In my book, that's not sound thinking at all. There's a reason 90 % have Glocks and we should have went with them in the first place.

I have to agree with you on that one. At least in IT Sec. when looking for a new tool, we find out what the top 4 performers are and choose one of them. If we are lucky we can lean on the experience of others in our field when there are issues.


I will also say that I am a huge fan of the G21, but I wouldn't arm anyone under6 feet tall with them when I could go 45GAP. This way you get the same large hole, but with a smaller grip.

[aray]

real video: dude shoots himself in the leg

Thought I would add to this thread: real video of a guy with an accidental discharge. He shoots himself in the leg on film. At least he has the courage to take responsibility & post the video. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

[Dietrich]

Thought I would add to this thread: real video of a guy with an accidental discharge. He shoots himself in the leg on film. At least he has the courage to take responsibility & post the video. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

I`m glad he was man enough to admit it was his own fault.Seems like a straight-up guy.

[yqtszhj]

Ouch

[Barth]

O`Dell,you are exactly,100% correct.If a person doesn`t feel comfortable with any gun they should pass it by.In firearms ownership,it`s all about what you like.Not what others like.

I shoot Glocks well but never felt comfortable carrying one for self defense.
I love my MK40 though? I do think most accidental discharges are due to no holster "Plaxico Burress" syndrome.