Zimmerman will b found.......

[swilcher7]

Hahahahaha!!!!

[muggsy]

he is not guilty of 2nd degree murder. He is guilty of beinstupid and I say maybe on that even. Hind sight is 20-20, but Z "stood his ground". No one has shown any racial malice intent.

Let the riots begin.Just sayin. Hellthey killed 9 people this weekendin chicago,wannabet 8 of the 9 were black. Where was jesseor al or ovomit. Even a 5 and 7 year old was killed but no big deal.black on black, no big deal. Page 5 headlines a day later. Do any of u really think the cops are overly concerned about these gang related deaths to wanna risk their lives????

I ain't sayin this to pick on you Jocko, but if you think back I'll bet there was a time or two in yer life when you might a done sumpin stupid. I know I have. Just sayin.

[CJB]

Jocko, I'm not sure if its stupidity... except maybe in hindsight. And, I think Z's failure was getting jumped in the first place. He lost sight... he got jumped. Very poor situational awareness. I can relate with his wanting to know what Crayon was up to.

Shoot the kid for a punch in the nose then a bang on the head? No. Shoot the kid because you don't know whats coming next.

[swilcher7]

Understood. BUT I think many people here think that carrying is the ultimate self defense solution.....it isn't. In my training I was lined up against a 20 something unarmed kid. He had skills but even when he tried to slow things down during a mock attack drill. I had all I could do to deploy my weapon. Stuff happens fast. If you can deploy from cover and warn your attacker, so much the better. I strongly urge people to "play fight" sometime for training instead of going to the range. You will be surprised how things go.

AMEN brother!!! I agree with you, a gun isn't always the answer, and no one knows first hand how a situation will end. Unless your one of these so called "psychics." I had the FATS simulator training in the academy. If some of these people would take that training, they're eyes will be opened. For those who aren't familiar, the simulator has a "firearm" that you use to fire at a screen during a random situation it chooses. (IE: Bad guy exiting building after armed robbery, or reaching in vehicle and producing firearm). The "firearm" vibrates, and the slide cycles as well to simulate recoil. You have "X" number of shots to kill the bad guy. After ending, the screen freezes and dots appear on the screen to show where your shots landed. I killed the bad guys, but my shots were EVERYWHERE!!! So I can say first hand that in that type of situation, the stress level is high!! I drew my weapon numerous times while on duty, and the pucker factor was TIGHT!! My heart was racing so fast I could feel my temples throbbing!! It's easy to say I shot a quarter sized group on a stationary piece of paper that's not moving or fighting back. There are alot of civilian academy's out there that offer this training. If anyone has access to it, please take it. It's not as easy as some make it out to be..

[knkali]

Bawanna mentioned this sort of training in another post. I want to do this and will look for civilian versions of this. If anyone knows of a program such as this for civilians, I am all ears uhhh eyes.

[Bawanna]

It's invigorating to say the least, probably the closest to the real thing as one can get but still probably only 50 or 60% of the adrenaline dump you'll experience during a real look the elephant in the eye scenario.

[swilcher7]

It's invigorating to say the least, probably the closest to the real thing as one can get but still probably only 50 or 60% of the adrenaline dump you'll experience during a real look the elephant in the eye scenario.

That may be true, but it can be a tool to show the difference between shooting at a piece of paper vs. being placed in a deadly force situation. When I did it, the instructors had us do different things prior to starting to get the adrenaline rushing. IE: Jogging in place to simulate being in a foot pursuit.

[Bawanna]

I don't do much jogging anymore myself. And physical exertion isn't what is gonna create the adrenaline dump.

Stuff like a weapon being brought to bear on you, drawing your own weapon, verbal threats, lack of following commands, the high possibility that your breathing days may be over very soon, these create adrenaline dump.

[swilcher7]

I don't do much jogging anymore myself. And physical exertion isn't what is gonna create the adrenaline dump.

Stuff like a weapon being brought to bear on you, drawing your own weapon, verbal threats, lack of following commands, the high possibility that your breathing days may be over very soon, these create adrenaline dump.

Again I understand that. We can all say we are going to do this or that when SHTF, but in reality nobody really knows. I'm no expert and don't claim to be, just using my experience as examples. We didn't just draw a weapon and shoot so to speak. There were verbal commands given as well. And they did shoot back so to speak. If you failed to do what was necessary, the system would let you know. Personally I think it would be a great tool in CCW classes along with the standard qualification. Would show what you could possibly have to deal with in a deadly force situation. And I myself have been in foot pursuits where I had to draw my weapon after catching said person. It was by no means easy!!

[MD_Vet]

AMEN brother!!! I agree with you, a gun isn't always the answer, and no one knows first hand how a situation will end. Unless your one of these so called "psychics." I had the FATS simulator training in the academy. If some of these people would take that training, they're eyes will be opened. For those who aren't familiar, the simulator has a "firearm" that you use to fire at a screen during a random situation it chooses. (IE: Bad guy exiting building after armed robbery, or reaching in vehicle and producing firearm). The "firearm" vibrates, and the slide cycles as well to simulate recoil. You have "X" number of shots to kill the bad guy. After ending, the screen freezes and dots appear on the screen to show where your shots landed. I killed the bad guys, but my shots were EVERYWHERE!!! So I can say first hand that in that type of situation, the stress level is high!! I drew my weapon numerous times while on duty, and the pucker factor was TIGHT!! My heart was racing so fast I could feel my temples throbbing!! It's easy to say I shot a quarter sized group on a stationary piece of paper that's not moving or fighting back. There are alot of civilian academy's out there that offer this training. If anyone has access to it, please take it. It's not as easy as some make it out to be..

This isn't the sim training but might be a start .... Cory has a bunch of youtube videos online and now offers specialized training.

https://www.youtube.com/user/cory07ink

[swilcher7]

This isn't the sim training but might be a start .... Cory has a bunch of youtube videos online and now offers specialized training.

https://www.youtube.com/user/cory07ink

Thanks for that video. What I think would also be helpful is another training I took. Night firing with the targets that show actual people. What it involved was a quick tap on/ tap off of a flashlight to identify your target, and then firing if it was a hostile target. The ones used were an undercover officer holding his badger and gun, a lady holding groceries, a few bad guys etc. Again I'm no expert by any means just making suggestions!! Again thanks!!

[MD_Vet]

Cory's range is in IN near Terre Haute. He and his girlfriend Erika have videos on shooting, gun and tactical equip. reviews,etc on youtube. Interesting for the most part...Erika isn't too hard on the eyes...LOL.

Here's his range web info if you didn't get it from the video...

http://rangetimets.com/

[tv_racin_fan]

Accordidng to the phone conversation Mr Zimmerman said he is running and the dispatcher asks which way is he going.

"Zimmerman:

Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.

He’s running. [2:08]

911 dispatcher:

He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman:

Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher:

OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

Zimmerman:

The back entrance."

This particular transcript doesn't mention the sounds heard on the phone which prompted the dispatcher to ask Mr Zimmerman is he following.

"911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]"

Nor does it mention that those sounds go away after the dispatcher tells Mr Zimmerman that he doesn't need to do that. But if you find the audio you can clearly hear what sounds like heavy breathing/wind noises and they quite clearly go away after the dispatcher tells Mr Zimmerman that he doesn't need to do that.

If you find a decent diagram of the complex it is pretty easy to believe that Mr Zimmerman started to follow Mr Martin and was told that he didn't need to do so and he stopped following Mr Martin but continued out that path to the other street to get a street address. Mr Zimmerman on the video of him explaining the events to the police officers showed them where Mr Martin turned the corner and Z lost sight of him. He explains that he was told he didn't need to follow him right near that corner and he continued on the that intersection and out to the street to get the address. Then he explained that he turned back toward his truck and when he passed that intersection again Mr Martin came up behind him and confronted him. The scuffle covered about 20 feet or so and it was only when Mr Martin noticed the gun on Mr Zimmermans side and went for it that Mr Zimmerman pulled the gun and shot.

The time line seems to line up with what Mr Zimmerman said and so do the credible witness statements.

The prosecution has said that Mr Zimmerman profiled Mr Martin and only called the police because of race. BUT the phone conversation quite clearly shows that Mr Zimmerman did not know the race of Mr Martin when he called and in fact it was only during the conversation when Mr Martin got closer to his truck could he see clearly enough to assertain race or at least that is how I see it.

"Zimmerman:

We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman:

He looks black."

A bit later in the conversation...

"911 dispatcher:

He’s near the clubhouse now?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

And he’s a black male.[1:03]"

I have yet to understand how someone profiles another without knowing the race of the other person.

The dispatcher asks him for the address that he is parked at.

"Zimmerman:

Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]

Zimmerman:

Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]"

Now I dunno about you but I lived in a neighborhood with three streets and for the life of me I can not tell you the name of that third street, doesn't matter that I passed that street every time I went out of the neighborhood I had no reason to know the name of that street as I had no reason to go down it except just to look about. Never had reason to tell anyone the name of that street when they were trying to find my home.

The prosectuion also wants you to believe that Mr Zimmerman chased after Mr Martin BUT the phone conversation shows that Mr Zimmerman was calmly walking and Mr Zimmerman and Mr Martins girl both said that Mr Martin ran. The prosecution wants you to believe that Mr Martin, a football player, could only cover about 20 feet after he turned that corner and yet Mr Zimmerman not only covered that 20 feet but the distance from his truck to that corner as well in the two minutes between the end of that phone conversation and the gun shot as heard on another phone conversation.

The prosecution also wants you to believe that Mr Zimmerman was in violation of neghborhood watch policy by going about his duty armed. Yet according to Mr Zimmerman he was on his way out to do some shopping when he spotted Mr Martin wandering around in the rain looking at the homes. Never did hear how he was supposedly in violation of neighborhood watch policy when he was not "on duty".

[JohnR]

Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

[knkali]

tv racin fan should be on Z's defense team