Zimmerman will b found.......

[knkali]

And no, NO ONE deserves a beat down. And NO ONE deserves to be shot and killed either!! NO ONE no matter what race, color, gender etc!!

I respect who you are and your willingness to expose some of your personal life(earlier in this thread) to make your point(s). I think your reply was to my post so I will answer it directly.

First, I made no mention of color in any of my posts and have deliberately done so.
Second, I question your position that "NO ONE" deserves a beat down or being shot.

If you came home to find a man raping your wife, you dont think he deserves a beat down or to be shot? Really? If you were walking the street and you were suddenly accosted, what would you do?

Now if you are saying Z didn't deserve a beat down for following T then I would agree. BUT if you decide to beat down a man, one has to expect that he will defend himself the best he can whether he is deserving of such violence or not. After all, the guy getting attacked isn't going to say to himself that he deserves this treatment and willfully take the beating or the bullet.

[swilcher7]

Yes, I believe no one deserves to be beat down or shot, but I also said that if you saw someone in danger of being killed then you should respond in the appropriate manner to save them, as would I. I don't walk around thinking or believing this person or that person deserves to be shot. I don't think that would be a good mindset for someone who carried a gun for a living. We aren't living like "Judge Dredd" here.

[TheTman]

[swilcher7]

Also each state has its own laws, and if I take someones life I have to prove my actions were necessary, or I'll be behind bars for a long time. Hell it's worse if you take someones life in the line of duty. Everything is under the microscope!!Here in PA, if I get into a confrontation and fists start flying and my opponent is getting the best of me, I can not pull a handgun and shoot him, especially if I am the aggressor. Now if I personally see someone in danger of death or serious bodily injury, damn straight I'm gonna intercede. And to clarify, my posts started because I didn't agree with the statement that blacks will riot..

[swilcher7]

Amazing!!! So posting a photo of a bunch of armed men really helps things!! Seems to me like some folks are hoping this crap happens...Unreal.

[knkali]

Yes, I believe no one deserves to be beat down or shot, but I also said that if you saw someone in danger of being killed then you should respond in the appropriate manner to save them, as would I. I don't walk around thinking or believing this person or that person deserves to be shot. I don't think that would be a good mindset for someone who carried a gun for a living. We aren't living like "Judge Dredd" here.

I agree, we cannot live like Judge Dredd nor be in a LEO mindset as a civilian. I think that we probably agree but are looking at this from a civilian perspective vs a former LEO perspective. If I see someone getting beat or shot, I am NOT going to respond with gun drawn at the ready. After all, I have no idea what the circumstances are in the situation I see. Maybe the shooter is an undercover cop. OR maybe they are just two meth head scumbags that are doing bad things to each other because of a drug deal that went bad. Certainly jeopardizing my life isn't worth it in both those circumstances. However, a call to 911 would be in order. But just because I have this view should not be construed that there are never circumstances where shooting someone or beating someone is not an option. I mentioned a couple earlier. After all I do carry a Kahr for a reason.

[TheTman]

And some folks DO deserve a beat down, the pervert caught with your daughter, the guy that breaks his wife's nose because she didn't get his beer fast enough, People that torture animals for fun, there are plenty of people that deserve a beat down, just not our place to do it in most instances.

My picture was just a statement that some folks are going to defend their property and shoot back if riots break out. No, I don't expect every anti-Zimmerman person to riot, but many have made it clear that they intend to do so if the verdict doesn't go their way. Best be prepared for anything after the verdict is announced.

[Bawanna]

We're very close to being done here.

Swilcher, I think your just a tad over sensitive in a very unsensitive world. Just a guess on my part and it doesn't matter in the least to me. We need sensitive people in the world.

In LE and in the private sector there is the use of force continuum. This applies more so to LE as they have a tool box to draw from on their duty belts but basically you have the right to up the auntie if someone is getting the best of you or they bring in additional weapons, regardless if you are the aggressor or the aggressy.

Be that as it may, I suggest we just move on and I suspect we'll have to hash this all out again after the verdict. I don't want to really, I just don't really care, I find myself caring less and less about more and more as my odometer continues to climb.

[swilcher7]

To clarify, I would not shoot someone involved in a fist fight, prison stripes don't look good on me!! I agree with you on some points. I worked in my hometown where everyone knows everyone, so folks know who I am. If I stood by and let someone get killed even though my career is done, I think you can understand the hell I would catch. (IE: Your were a cop why didn't you do anything, etc) Now, if it involves say a fight, theft, something non violent I too will call 911, get any info I can for responding officers, and be willing to testify to what I saw.

[TheTman]

People keep saying if Z had done what the dispatcher told him too....
The dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that." There was no command to get back in his vehicle or to quit pursuing, just a statement that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon. Sounds to me like they left it up to him what to do.

[swilcher7]

My responses have in no means been disrespectful. The comment was made, you can see that yourself, and I don't agree with it. Now if I were making comments supporting riots, violence, or whatever I can see there being a problem. Call me oversensitive if you may, there are some things that I've dealt with that I won't reveal. But if you certain comments I think you should expect some type of response to them.

[knkali]

People keep saying if Z had done what the dispatcher told him too....
The dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that." There was no command to get back in his vehicle or to quit pursuing, just a statement that they didn't need him to follow Trayvon. Sounds to me like they left it up to him what to do.

They did, but lets say 911 is the authority(which it is not) and ordered him to stop and he still followed T. Does that in itself warrant a beating from the guy being followed? What's next? OK to beat someone because they looked at you aggressively?

[swilcher7]

And I am well aware of the use of force continuum. And I am aware that each state has its own laws. Being involved in a fist fight here doesn't allow you too shoot someone because you are loosing. Not saying that is the case, just trying to show differences in laws.

[TheTman]

No, I was just clarifying the Dispatcher's words. I don't see that Z's actions warranted him being attacked. Trayvon should have just went home. Z should have got back in his truck and this never would have happened. I imagine some teenage irresponsibility got T into the his predicament. Could have been any color of teen, but one that thought he was gonna teach this fool Z a lesson about following people.
I hope no riots break out, but many people have already made their intentions clear on that matter.

And a person can't say that "this is what blacks do". There are blacks from all parts of life. Some are Doctors, Lawyers, Policemen, and other professional people. There are many good black families that want the best for their kids, just like any other family.
There are some that are into violence and the drug scene, just as there are white kids doing the same. You can't generalize a whole race of people.

[swilcher7]

Ok .Let's just agree to disagree here. My reason for posting has gone to a totally different level here. I'm not gonna debate who is right and wrong. Each side has it's beliefs, so it is what it is. My point was that not all lets just say minorities want to get out and riot if things don't go our way. If me referring to that as wrong makes me oversensitive, so be it. It's beliefs/opinions etc like that was the reason I made the comment.