Zimmerman will b found.......

[knkali]

Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

imagine that

[muggsy]

Am I my brothers keeper? That question was answered more than 2000 years ago. If I saw someone who needed my help, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did nothing. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. Perhaps if the police had responded quicker this whole thing could have been avoided. Zimmerman did absolutely nothing wrong. He was not on patrol as a member of his neighborhood watch when this action went down. He was licensed to carry concealed and was exercising his 2A rights. He was on his way to a store when he saw something suspicious. He was a man trying to be a good neighbor when he reported a suspicious person to the police. He did nothing illegal when he followed Trayvon. There is nothing in his background history to indicate that he was a racist or was racially profiling Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman was of mixed race himself. If Travon feared Zimmerman he had a funny way of showing it. Instead of running home he attacked George Zimmerman long after Zimmerman reported that he had lost sight of the person of interest. Trayvon didn't like being followed and sough street justice when he attacked that "Creepy Ass Kracker". He received the street justice that he sought.

[QuackXP]

I was surprised at the verdict. I figured he might get found guilty on a manslaughter charge because he left his vehicle after 911 told him not to.

Get ready for another year or so on a civil case.

[tv_racin_fan]

I was surprised at the verdict. I figured he might get found guilty on a manslaughter charge because he left his vehicle after 911 told him not to.

Get ready for another year or so on a civil case.

Wait how exactly does one leave their vehicle after 911 tells them not to when the dispatcher only told him not to follow AFTER he was already out of his vehicle and moving fast enough to cause heavy breathing/wind noises? You saying the he went back to his truck got in and then got out again to "pursue" Mr Martin?

[PM9OWNER]

You will not find me chasing down suspicious characters trying to be a good neighbor. Sure I will call the police and keep an eye out, from my vehicle or household, but I am not carrying to find trouble. I'm not saying Zimmerman is guilty, but I just don't think it was right of him to go pursuing someone who hadn't committed a crime. I may follow at a safe distance in a vehicle so that I could have a little protection (being in a car at safe distance), say if the suspicious person had a gun. If that person harmed my family, sure I might (out of anger) pursue them through peoples yards and what have you, otherwise it is the police's business unless the suspicious character is directly a threat to me, my family, my neighbors etc. My firearm is meant to protect me and my loved ones, it is not something I carry with me to feel safe as I go try to find and fight crime. A neighborhood watch should ONLY stand his ground and tip the police off about potential crime.

I want to know how many people here would do as zimmerman did, and follow an innocent person through other peoples property instead of just being calling the police and being concerned from the homestead or in your car on the street. Who here would have followed a (thus far) innocent person through yards and such on a hunch that they were out to commit crimes? I just think it's a terrible story of self defense.

[tv_racin_fan]

You will not find me chasing down suspicious characters trying to be a good neighbor. Sure I will call the police and keep an eye out, from my vehicle or household, but I am not carrying to find trouble. I'm not saying Zimmerman is guilty, but I just don't think it was right of him to go pursuing someone who hadn't committed a crime. I may follow at a safe distance in a vehicle so that I could have a little protection (being in a car at safe distance), say if the suspicious person had a gun. If that person harmed my family, sure I might (out of anger) pursue them through peoples yards and what have you, otherwise it is the police's business unless the suspicious character is directly a threat to me, my family, my neighbors etc. My firearm is meant to protect me and my loved ones, it is not something I carry with me to feel safe as I go try to find and fight crime. A neighborhood watch should ONLY stand his ground and tip the police off about potential crime.

I want to know how many people here would do as zimmerman did, and follow an innocent person through other peoples property instead of just being calling the police and being concerned from the homestead or in your car on the street. Who here would have followed a (thus far) innocent person through yards and such on a hunch that they were out to commit crimes? I just think it's a terrible story of self defense.

First off those "yards" are community property else they would not have a sidewalk running thru them.

I will tell you that I might have done exactly the same thing he did.

Mr Martin ran around a corner, I may well have followed him at a distance to see which way he went. How else do you tell the police which way he went?

The evidence quite clearly shows that he stopped following or at least stopped moving at a rapid enough pace to make heavy breathing/wind noises in the phone. THAT would have given Mr Martin plenty of time to get "home" or run past the home he was staying in and run somewhere else (someone pointed out that he might not want to run home and show the "stalker" where he was going).

The evidence quite clearly shows that the scuffle started right around that corner that Mr Martin had run around at least two minutes earlier. It was raining and dark and visibility was short.

The evidence quite clearly shows that he took some beating and was screaming or yelling for help for some time before he shot Mr Martin. THAT tells me that his story is true enough for me to vote not guilty.

The neighborhood watch thing is kinda silly. They harped on that because one of the so called "rules" is you don't go about armed. Well the thing is Mr Zimmerman was not "on watch" he was going out shopping. Oh and neighborhood watch does sometimes follow their suspects

I dunno about you but I carry a handgun when I go shopping. I carry my handgun into stores that have no loaded firearms allowed on the door. I carry it into Chic Fil A, I carry it into Wal Mart. I joked with the security guard at one store about what was he carrying today, he replied a 9mm I said so am I and walked on.. the assistant manager happened to be walking behind me and he asked me what I carry (Kahr K9) and then said that is a dern fine handgun. I was shocked when that security guard was later shot in the head execution style during a robbery.. inside job.

[Chief Joseph]

And again, if he would have did what the dispatcher told him, we wouldn't be having this conversation!! So that makes him responsible for his own death. We all have heard the 911 call he made. The dispatcher CLEARLY stated that he didn't need to follow him!!

So because a punk thug who couldn't control his compulsion to attack someone is the "victim", while the guy getting the beat down is at fault for not leaving the area because the thug naturally can't control himself. By that logic, all females who go out in public and get raped must be "asking for it too". Amazing logic. God forbid society would have an expectation a young punk could control is desire to beat on people.

[Chief Joseph]

And no, NO ONE deserves a beat down. And NO ONE deserves to be shot and killed either!! NO ONE no matter what race, color, gender etc!!

I agree, no one deserves either, except the one doing the beat down. If no one deserves a beat down, why do you give treyvon the pass.

[swilcher7]

I agree, no one deserves either, except the one doing the beat down. If no one deserves a beat down, why do you give treyvon the pass.

I'm not giving anyone a pass. I never said Trayvon or Zimmerman didn't deserve a beat down or deserved to be shot. I stated NO ONE did. You have the right to defend yourself, I agree. But I'm not gonna sit here and say that ANYONE deserves anything..

[Chief Joseph]

I'm not giving anyone a pass. I never said Trayvon or Zimmerman didn't deserve a beat down or deserved to be shot. I stated NO ONE did. You have the right to defend yourself, I agree. But I'm not gonna sit here and say that ANYONE deserves anything..

But as proven in court, it was Zimmerman being beat down. That being the case, why do you feel he should have been convicted? What exactly, once trayvon had him on the ground and was pounding him, did you expect Zimmerman to do?

[swilcher7]

But as proven in court, it was Zimmerman being beat down. That being the case, why do you feel he should have been convicted? What exactly, once trayvon had him on the ground and was pounding him, did you expect Zimmerman to do?

Again, I never said I felt he should be convicted. Both sides have done some things I view as wrong. I don't think a second degree murder charge was warranted either, but that's me speaking as former LE. I have dealt with cases where some charges were warranted, but others thought differently. I kept my mouth shut for a long time here until recently. My initial comments were about certain things being said that held certain overtones. I never called anyone a racist. And this particular forum isn't the only one where things have been said. I believe if you make certain comments, you should expect to be confronted, as I would the same if I said certain things here. So again, we can all agree to disagree on this, we are all adults here as was said. But if we are adults, lets hold adult conversations. There were NO WINNERS with this case.

[swilcher7]

[QUOTE=Chief Joseph;252670]So because a punk thug who couldn't control his compulsion to attack someone is the "victim", while the guy getting the beat down is at fault for not leaving the area because the thug naturally can't control himself. By that logic, all females who go out in public and get raped must be "asking for it too". Amazing logic. God forbid society would have an expectation a young punk could control is desire to beat on people.[/QUOT

And please again don't put words in my mouth. There is no ways I would ever think a female deserved to be raped..EVER!!

[Chief Joseph]

[QUOTE=swilcher7;252684]

So because a punk thug who couldn't control his compulsion to attack someone is the "victim", while the guy getting the beat down is at fault for not leaving the area because the thug naturally can't control himself. By that logic, all females who go out in public and get raped must be "asking for it too". Amazing logic. God forbid society would have an expectation a young punk could control is desire to beat on people.[/QUOT

And please again don't put words in my mouth. There is no ways I would ever think a female deserved to be raped..EVER!!

Ok, understood, sorry about that. I got you confused with glock 23 who said he should be convicted.

[swilcher7]

[QUOTE=Chief Joseph;252687]

Ok, understood, sorry about that. I got you confused with glock 23 who said he should be convicted.

No problem..

[Glock23]

Re: Zimmerman will b found.......

But if we are adults, lets hold adult conversations.

This can be tried, but for the most part, opinions that differ from the general member consensus are frowned upon.

Non-political threads which turn into civil debates (or even arguments, but I've not seen them ever get personal) are moved to the politics forum, because it doesn't show on the main page and people don't wanna see it.

Eventually, even though it's out of sight and out of mind of the sensitive people who can't stand to see mommy and daddy argue, the thread will be closed.

This is a great site for info on Kahrs, but there is a large population of old, stubborn men who will believe what they choose to believe no matter what.

This thread, I'm sure, will be locked soon as well.