latest in Obama Care

[knkali]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...tics+-+Text%29

[johnh]

Kind of left me wondering if the number of applications is that low, or people just cannot successfully submit one using the crappy software.

[downtownv]

It's All Smoke and Mirrors! These people are lying , when ever you see their mouthes move!

[chrish]

Not surprised. With somewhere less than 2 million NEW people insured under ObamaCare, hard to call this anything than other than a complete and utter failure. Add in the time and money wasted to get those 2 million new people covered and it becomes almost comical.

[leftysixty]

Just another waste of taxpayer monies that we don't have to spend.

[mickeyfinn]

Not surprised. With somewhere less than 2 million NEW people insured under ObamaCare, hard to call this anything than other than a complete and utter failure. Add in the time and money wasted to get those 2 million new people covered and it becomes almost comical.

Your number is deceptive bordering on a lie to due to a misstatement and subsequent omission.

The truth is about two million people, (2,000,000) SIGNED UP for coverage through the Affordable Care Act.

BUT the majority of those two million people signed up for FAMILY CARE. For the sake of accuracy and clarity, let's add in all those family members who are now covered too.

Your two million is now over eight million (8,000,000).

I bet those 8 million don't find it "comical" they now have coverage.

Now these people can go see physicians and get preventative care instead of going to emergency rooms when they are in real trouble.

I will never understand why some people begrudge affordable health care to the less fortunate among us.

I do know that most of those who begrudge affordable medical care to the less fortunate always seem to have coverage for themselves.

Many of these people are the same ones who scream against socialism in this country.

But every month they spend their social security checks and they also take full advantage of Medicare when they need health care.

[chrish]

Your number is deceptive bordering on a lie to due to a nisstatement and crucial omission.

Two million people, (2,000,000) SIGNED UP for coverage through the Affordable Care Act. But many more people are now covered by the act

The majority of the two million people signed up for FAMILY CARE. For the sake of accuracy and clarity, let's throw in all those family members who are now covered too.

Your two million is now over eight million (8,000,000). I bet those 8 million don't find it "comical" they now have coverage.

Maybe so. But 2 million in insurance statistical numbers, based on the premiums for an ObamaCare policy, is most certainly nothing and that low nothing number is going to be devastating in the next couple of years. Rates are gonna go thru the roof. And then everybody is gonna find out how 'comical' it is for 20 million or 200 million people.

[chrish]

Your number is deceptive bordering on a lie to due to a misstatement and subsequent omission.

The truth is about two million people, (2,000,000) SIGNED UP for coverage through the Affordable Care Act.

BUT the majority of those two million people signed up for FAMILY CARE. For the sake of accuracy and clarity, let's add in all those family members who are now covered too.

Your two million is now over eight million (8,000,000).

I bet those 8 million don't find it "comical" they now have coverage.

Wrong! 8 million signed up. only 80-90% of those paid. Now insurance companies are saying that of those that paid, only 25% are previously uninsured. So 75% had insurance before, and these were the MAJOR carriers stating this, so this isn't 75% that had crap coverage thru crap companies, they were just forced off b/c of ObamaCare's stupid coverage requirements (like maternity coverage for a man).


So, 8 million * 90% * 25% ... 2 million is generous on my part.

[SlowBurn]

latest in Obama Care

Wrong! 8 million signed up. only 80-90% of those paid. Now insurance companies are saying that of those that paid, only 25% are previously uninsured. So 75% had insurance before, and these were the MAJOR carriers stating this, so this isn't 75% that had crap coverage thru crap companies, they were just forced off b/c of ObamaCare's stupid coverage requirements (like maternity coverage for a man).

Include me in that group. Almost anyone who had individual (not group) coverage found their policy cancelled. The equivalent Obamacare compliant policy with the same carrier (Blue Cross) is now about 250 more per month.

But, on the bright side, I now have pediatric dental. So at the age of 64, if any of my baby teeth need to be pulled, I'm covered.

[chrish]

Your number is deceptive bordering on a lie to due to a misstatement and subsequent omission.

The truth is about two million people, (2,000,000) SIGNED UP for coverage through the Affordable Care Act.

BUT the majority of those two million people signed up for FAMILY CARE. For the sake of accuracy and clarity, let's add in all those family members who are now covered too.

Your two million is now over eight million (8,000,000).

I bet those 8 million don't find it "comical" they now have coverage.

Now these people can go see physicians and get preventative care instead of going to emergency rooms when they are in real trouble.

I will never understand why some people begrudge affordable health care to the less fortunate among us.

I do know that most of those who begrudge affordable medical care to the less fortunate always seem to have coverage for themselves.

Many of these people are the same ones who scream against socialism in this country.

But every month they spend their social security checks and they also take full advantage of Medicare when they need health care.

I don't begrudge anybody anything. But its not my responsibility to pay for your insurance. Pay for it yourself. I'm not THAT fortunate.


I'll refer you to my last post. MOST of the people that got coverage were previously covered. From a major carrier, almost NO POLICY would not have covered a doctor visit and there would be no reason to go to the emergency room for everyday things before ObamaCare. The same people that were in the emergency room before will still be there now, they still don't have coverage. People do not understand insurance, they want free healthcare. That's not possible unless you have the rest of us pay for it. Period. It becomes a financing solution, not an insurance solution. But, that was the goal in the first place, they just couldn't push single payer through Congress. But its coming.

[mickeyfinn]

Wrong! 8 million signed up. only 80-90% of those paid. Now insurance companies are saying that of those that paid, only 25% are previously uninsured. So 75% had insurance before, and these were the MAJOR carriers stating this, so this isn't 75% that had crap coverage thru crap companies, they were just forced off b/c of ObamaCare's stupid coverage requirements (like maternity coverage for a man).


So, 8 million * 90% * 25% ... 2 million is generous on my part.

I'm not going to waste my keyboard on you. How may times are you going to contradict your previous statements to try to hide your previous lies?

No sense discussing this with you. First you say 2 million signed up. Then you say 8 million signed up.

Do some research.

How many people, how many individuals signed up? ONLY ONE PERSON CAN SIGN UP!!!!!!!!!

But that one person, that individual can sign up for FAMILY CARE?


so the key question is how many people have insurance now through the Affordable Care Act that were without insurance before its inception?

AND PLEASE, don't make numbers up.

I know the numbers. Almost everyone (except FOX News), some begrudgingly, I might add, agree with the numbers.

[chrish]

Include me in that group. Almost anyone who had individual (not group) coverage found their policy cancelled. The equivalent Obamacare compliant policy with the same carrier (Blue Cross) is now about 250 more per month.

But, on the bright side, I now have pediatric dental. So at the age of 64, if any of my baby teeth need to be pulled, I'm covered.

Never know, it could happen! too funny.

I was one of the 'lucky' ones. Also an individual policy holder (self employeed). I saw this coming back pre-2010 and even though my premiums HAD been increasing a pretty big jumps prior to Obama and I wanted to change policies, I left well enough alone knowing they were probably gonna say if you changed anything you are not grandfathered. So, I let it ride. Didn't change my deductible, plan, benefits, etc. And sure enough. Had I done any of those things, I'd have been booted. But, I'm still on the same policy from when I went into business in 2005. My whole family is healthy, and I pay around $13000/year for health insurance. I'd be paying over $15000 for less coverage under ObamaCare.

Concerned over what's coming with respect to rate increase for those of us that are still in this boat. But I can tell you this. My premiums go up much more and I'm gonna start shuffling money around so my tax rates go down and the moochers can shove it. I'm not paying for any more of anybody's stuff than I am today.

[chrish]

I'm not going to waste my keyboard on you. How may times are you going to contradict your previous statements to try to hide your previous lies?

No sense discussing this with you. First you say 2 million signed up. Then you say 8 million signed up.

Do some research.

How many people, how many individuals signed up? ONLY ONE PERSON CAN SIGN UP!!!!!!!!!

But that one person, that individual can sign up for FAMILY CARE?


so the key question is how many people have insurance now through the Affordable Care Act that were without insurance before its inception?

AND PLEASE, don't make numbers up.

I know the numbers. Almost everyone (except FOX News), some begrudgingly, I might add, agree with the numbers.

Wrong again! Read my first post. Where does it say 2 million signed up? I said 2 million NEW covered. I've never ONCE contradicted anything I've posted on this topic.

With all due respect, you need to research this more, you have no idea what you are talking about. Not a clue. I'm ex-insurance industry and I've followed this religiously since its inception. I'm 100% right on this, period.


It doesn't matter whether you talk about policies (8 million) or covered individuals (8 million * average # of people on the policy), the numbers are proportionally the same. New policies or New covered individuals. There is no difference from the aspect of determine the success or failure of ObamaCare.


Lets say your 8 million is for 2.5 people per signup (policy). So that's 20 million people. 20 million * 90% * 25% is the true number to gauge the benefit of ObamaCare. That's the previously uncovered that now have coverage. Even IF your assumption is that 8 million is really 20 million.


Which brings me to my next point. Read some articles about how the 8 million is counted, you might be surprised. It is in fact double counted in some cases, some it counts covered people (so all the people on the policy). It depends on the carrier and/or exchange and how they reported it and how Obama's minions choose to report it. Again, I think you are missing the point. Pick a number, then multiply it by .90 and .25, that's the REAL number of new people that (arguably) have benefited from this garbage.

[mickeyfinn]

Never know, it could happen! too funny.

I was one of the 'lucky' ones. Also an individual policy holder (self employeed). I saw this coming back pre-2010 and even though my premiums HAD been increasing a pretty big jumps prior to Obama and I wanted to change policies, I left well enough alone knowing they were probably gonna say if you changed anything you are not grandfathered. So, I let it ride. Didn't change my deductible, plan, benefits, etc. And sure enough. Had I done any of those things, I'd have been booted. But, I'm still on the same policy from when I went into business in 2005. My whole family is healthy, and I pay around $13000/year for health insurance. I'd be paying over $15000 for less coverage under ObamaCare.

Concerned over what's coming with respect to rate increase for those of us that are still in this boat. But I can tell you this. My premiums go up much more and I'm gonna start shuffling money around so my tax rates go down and the moochers can shove it. I'm not paying for any more of anybody's stuff than I am today.

Finally, some truth from you. You admit that you've been getting screwed for years behind health care.

Greed is the real problem here, my friend. Instead of your "every man for himself" attitude, how about a little share the wealth?

Medical care in the US is far and away the most costly on the entire planet. Yet we rank 26th in the world for life expectancy. We rank right behind Slovenia for life expectancy. SLOVENIA, for God's sake.

Many of the countries who rank ahead of us, England and Canada included, have (gasp) socialized medicine.

Please explain this to me.

How can our medical costs be the highest on the planet yet our life expectancy is 26th?

Looks like a case of we DON"T get what we pay for.

Greed almost killed our economy a few years ago. We are recovering but slowly. There has been a redistribution of wealth since then.

And greed is responsible for the health care fiasco in this country.

Do you think it's okay for you to pay $15,000 or $13,000 or $10,000 a year to cover you and your family for health care?

And don't forget those pesky co-pays, my friend. They add up. Oh yeah, those prescription drugs can take a big bite too.

How do England and Canada manage to provide health care for all their citizens?

Should not all people be entitled to health care? Or is it really a dog-eat-dog world?

The poor? The elderly on fixed incomes? Screw 'em. Let 'em all croak?

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle class is shrinking.

Former members of the middle class are joining the ranks of the poor in far greater numbers than those entering the ranks of the wealthy.

The middle class used to be the backbone of this nation. We are losing our backbone due to greed.

[knkali]

Mickeyfinn:


Please give us the numbers as you know them. Help me understand your point. Rather than lash out, help me understand how a program like this is not destined to fail. Please explain to me how this program is going to get supported so that premiums do not skyrocket. Please explain how it would have been far cheaper in a long run to have the G just pay for people's premiums based on need rather than revamp the whole system. Please explain how ACA will get young healthy people in their 20s and 30s who feel they will live forever and are typically on the lower end of the income ladder to pony up for health insurance. Please explain how risk corridors written into ACA will work out in the long run and not be a teat that will be available to the ins industry for life if we want universal coverage.