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[knkali]

Finally, some truth from you. You admit that you've been getting screwed for years behind health care.

Greed is the real problem here, my friend. Instead of your "every man for himself" attitude, how about a little share the wealth?

Medical care in the US is far and away the most costly on the entire planet. Yet we rank 26th in the world for life expectancy. We rank right behind Slovenia for life expectancy. SLOVENIA, for God's sake.

Many of the countries who rank ahead of us, England and Canada included, have (gasp) socialized medicine.

Please explain this to me.



How can our medical costs be the highest on the planet yet our life expectancy is 26th?

Looks like a case of we DON"T get what we pay for.

Greed almost killed our economy a few years ago. We are recovering but slowly. There has been a redistribution of wealth since then.

And greed is responsible for the health care fiasco in this country.

Do you think it's okay for you to pay $15,000 or $13,000 or $10,000 a year to cover you and your family for health care?

And don't forget those pesky co-pays, my friend. They add up. Oh yeah, those prescription drugs can take a big bite too.

How do England and Canada manage to provide health care for all their citizens?

Should not all people be entitled to health care? Or is it really a dog-eat-dog world?

The poor? The elderly on fixed incomes? Screw 'em. Let 'em all croak?

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle class is shrinking.

Former members of the middle class are joining the ranks of the poor in far greater numbers than those entering the ranks of the wealthy.

The middle class used to be the backbone of this nation. We are losing our backbone do to greed.

Comrade:
The countries you mentioned have much higher tax rates then we do. You do not get anything for nothing. They pay for the socialized medicine then usually have to wait for testing and procedures that are not immediately life threatening but still can be very life impacting nevertheless. While there is "greed" in the system, there is a fine line between greed and economic incentive. New meds, equipment, procedures AND service which are typically driven by financial gain will no longer be had, esp at the rate we have come to expect if your remove that incentive to develop them. Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

[mickeyfinn]

Do any of you people think the health care "system" in this country is just fine and no changes are needed?

Yes, the ACA has problems. Other than Social Security, there has never been an undertaking this large in our nation's history.

But the ACA is SOMETHING. Yes, it will need some changes. But at least we are moving in the right direction.

Chrish, why do you focus on the "moochers," as you call them? I call them the have nots. Youu focus on them because you have been trained too. Divide and conquer. And yes, we are a divided people.

Money divides us, race divides us, regionalism divides us and so on. But we ALLOW ourselves to be divided by the powers that be. They fear unity among the people of this country.

If we're too busy fighting each other, they are left alone to count their money and laugh at us.

Personally, I think we should jack taxes way up on the obscenely wealthy (billionaires) in this country and to a lesser degree their many less fortunate counterpart millionaires and to an even lesser degree those comparatively poor people who pull down ONLY a few hundred thousand a year to pay for complete socialized medicine.

And we need to cap the cost of MRI's for example. They shouldn't cost thousands of dollars.

Medical care in this country can be fixed.

And I'll never understand you people who make a comparative pittance compared to those who have the real wealth.

You have been trained to focus your fear and rancor on the poor, no matter why they are poor instead of focusing your ire on the wealthy.

Yeah, those damn moochers. They're the real problem, right Chrish? The people who, for example, own and run FOX news, they're are real friends, right? They care about us.

If things keep gong the way they are going, you, your children or your grandchildren will be poor in the not too distant future.

[tv_racin_fan]

Your number is deceptive bordering on a lie to due to a misstatement and subsequent omission.

The truth is about two million people, (2,000,000) SIGNED UP for coverage through the Affordable Care Act.

BUT the majority of those two million people signed up for FAMILY CARE. For the sake of accuracy and clarity, let's add in all those family members who are now covered too.

Your two million is now over eight million (8,000,000).

I bet those 8 million don't find it "comical" they now have coverage.

Now these people can go see physicians and get preventative care instead of going to emergency rooms when they are in real trouble.

I will never understand why some people begrudge affordable health care to the less fortunate among us.

I do know that most of those who begrudge affordable medical care to the less fortunate always seem to have coverage for themselves.

Many of these people are the same ones who scream against socialism in this country.

But every month they spend their social security checks and they also take full advantage of Medicare when they need health care.

Excuse me sir I do not begrudge anyone anything unless I am forced to pay for their something.

Social Security and Medicare are not in fact socialism..

Care to explain why I should pay for their internet? Their television? Their automobile?

Find that funny?

You might want to understand that if you allow the GOVT to mandate that YOU or I purchase one something for someone else less fortunate than you or I what prevents the GOVT from mandating that YOU or I pay for something else for those less fortunate? Where do YOU draw the line becomes the real question that needs to be asked.

Did you believe the President and others when they told you that YOU would be able to keep the healthcare insurance policy you had if you liked it? Did you believe them when they told you you could keep the doctor you had if you liked them? What exactly causes you to believe anything they tell you after YOU know they have lied to you repeatedly on other things?

The vast majority of those very people you seem to claim CAN now access "affordable" healthcare could do so before. I know this because I did so. Some people like to claim that people with pre exsisting conditions did not gave access to healthcare insurance. I would LOVE to see some REAL proof of this. I have a very very hard time believing that the vast majority of them had no access to healthcare as I was born with a condition and have never in my life had any issue getting healthcare when I needed it.

Perhaps many of those people now have access to what YOU and some others consider AFFORDABLE healthcare that they didn't have before. The issue I have is what do THEY consider affordable and who exactly is forced to pay for that so called "affordable" healthcare. What exactly gives the GOVT the right to demand that I fork over some funds to pay for someone elses supposedly "affordable" healthcare? I don't find it "affordable". It is far more expensive than the major medical coverage I would have chosen for myself.

Funny thing how the supporters argued time and time again that it wasn't a TAX and then argued that indeed it is a TAX in front of SCOTUS. Turns out that the LEGISLATURE doesn't have the power to run such an operation except thru the power of taxation. Kinda like Social Security and Medicare... The SCOTUS has ruled that CONGRESS has the power to spend money to provide for the GENERAL WELFARE and they have the power to levy and collect taxes to provide the funds for such. Thus when Social Security was deemed CONSTITUTIONAL it was under the understanding that the TAXES collected would go into the GENERAL FUND and CONGRESS could then appropriate funds to spend from that GENERAL FUND to disburse/spend in the providing of that GENERAL WELFARE. (check out Helvering V Davis to see the proof of that)

Now think on that for a bit.

Consider that since the SCOTUS has deemed that CONGRESS can pretty much spend money as they see fit to provide for that GENERAL welfare... An arguement could very easily be made that mandating the purchase of and taxing and purchasing firearms for the citizens who otherwise couldn't afford them for the people to use in defence of self or the nation would be in providing for the GENERAL WELFARE of the citizens and the NATION as a whole. Consider that an arguement could be made that mandating the purchase of and taxing the people and purchasing Televisions and or radios for the citizens who otherwise can't aford them could be considered in providing for the general welfare in so much as the citizens need to be able to access info the GOVT could disburse by TV or RADIO in certain situations.

[knkali]

Do any of you people think the health care "system" in this country is just fine and no changes are needed?

Yes, the ACA has problems. Other than Social Security, there has never been an undertaking this large in our nation's history.

But the ACA is SOMETHING. Yes, it will need some changes. But at least we are moving in the right direction.

Personally, I think we should jack taxes way up on the obscenely wealthy (billionaires) in this country and to a lesser degree the many less fortunate millionaires and to an even lesser degree those comparitively poor people who pull down only hundreds of thousand a year to pay for complete socialized medicine.

We need to cap the cost of MRI's for example. They shouldn't cost thousands of dollars.

Medical care in this country can be fixed.

And you people who make a pittance compared to those who have the real wealth have been trained to focus your rancor on the poor, no matter why they are poor instead of focusing your ire on the wealthy.

If things keep gong the way they are going, you, you children or your grandchildren will be poor in the future.

Your first question sums it up for me. YES there is a problem. When the G got into healthcare(way before the ACA), it opened Pandora's box for 1/2 of the problems we have now. Namely higher costs. It really is that simple. I know nothing about you but if you are old enough, do you remember how much Lasix surgery cost when it first was available? A LOT. Guess what? Since many insurance policies did not cover the procedure and the G certainly doesn't, the price is a fraction of what it used to be. Why? Because the market has adjusted due to competition for that dollar.
2nd half of the problem: People want PREPAID healthcare in this country. As long as it only costs me $20., it doesn't matter what the real cost of the doctor visit costs. As long as we turn a blind eye to the real costs, they will continue to rise. Take sore throats, pink eye, and all the little stuff out of the insurance picture since it is 100% chance you will have these is a lifetime and start insuring conditions that actually have a reason to be insured for. Bigger stuff. Stuff that not all people are certain to have so the risk can be spread across the insured rather than the prepaid notion of health ins and the cost of ins premiums should go down.

[tv_racin_fan]

Do any of you people think the health care "system" in this country is just fine and no changes are needed?

Yes, the ACA has problems. Other than Social Security, there has never been an undertaking this large in our nation's history.

But the ACA is SOMETHING. Yes, it will need some changes. But at least we are moving in the right direction.

Personally, I think we should jack taxes way up on the obscenely wealthy (billionaires) in this country and to a lesser degree the many less fortunate millionaires and to an even lesser degree those comparitively poor people who pull down only hundreds of thousand a year to pay for complete socialized medicine.

We need to cap the cost of MRI's for example. They shouldn't cost thousands of dollars.

Medical care in this country can be fixed.

And you people who make a pittance compared to those who have the real wealth have been trained to focus your rancor on the poor, no matter why they are poor instead of focusing your ire on the wealthy.

If things keep gong the way they are going, you, you children or your grandchildren will be poor in the future.

Perhaps you don't understand what happens when you jack those taxes up.

Go see what happened back in 1990 or so when the government decided we should have a 10% LUXURY tax on certain items.

Did you ask yourself why the democrats who touted the Canadian healthcare system didn't offer a similar system?

[knkali]

Hell if the ACA is so good why are members of the House and Senate exempt?

[knkali]

I'm out I got to find my high blood pressure medicine........

[mickeyfinn]

Excuse me sir I do not begrudge anyone anything unless I am forced to pay for their something.

Social Security and Medicare are not in fact socialism..

Care to explain why I should pay for their internet? Their television? Their automobile?

Find that funny?

What I find funny is you.

I hate to ask because I'm sure FOX news or some Tea Party organ has supplied you with rote answers, but whose Internet, television and automobiles am I paying for?

Is it all those lazy black people again, those same black people whose food I pay for and put a roof over their heads too? Or is it those Mexicans?

Is it THEM again? Damn moochers. See how happy those moochers are? They get EVERYTHING FOR NOTHING. We have to pay for it. They're so happy they are just singing and dancing their way through life. They are one joyous group, i tell ya.

Yessir, drive through some real poor neighborhoods, and if you DARE, park your car, get out and TALK to some people. You'll see how happy they are with their stations in life.

We have a "new" class of people, by the way. We call them the "working poor." They and their families subsist by working fast food jobs and as cashiers in drugstores and so on.

Most of them are supporting or contributing to supporting families on $8 and change an hour.

Ask them how they like their lives. Take a good look at the poor if you're not afraid too. Listen to what they have to say. I know none of you will do this of course.

Divide and conquer.

And what the hell, talk to some homeless people. A lot of them are vets. See how they're doing.

I said it before, and I'll say it again.

Divide and conquer.

Turn off the cable, get off your ass and TALK to people, talk to the less fortunate among you.

You're surrounded by them, you know. Who knows how long it will be before they become REALLY angry about their situation. Befriend a poor family. It might save your life and that of your family.

Here is a telling line from a Bob Marley song. "A hungry man is an angry man."

Money, or the lack of money divides us, race divides us, regionalism divides us and so on.

But we ALLOW ourselves to be divided by the powers that be. They feed us the lies that divide us. (See - "Care to explain why I should pay for their internet? Their television? Their automobile?") The people believe these lies are unwitting dupes of the rich.

The wealthy fear unity among the people of this country. They don't want it. Why?

Because instead of focusing on and fearing and fighting with each other, we might wake up and look at those who are holding us down.

If we're too busy fighting each other, the wealthy are left alone to count their money, look down and laugh at us.

Personally, I think we should jack taxes way up on the obscenely wealthy (billionaires) in this country and to a lesser degree their many less fortunate counterpart millionaires and to an even lesser degree those comparatively poor people who pull down ONLY a few hundred thousand a year to pay for complete socialized medicine.

A long time ago my father told me, "Never tell a man something he already knows. He'll hate you for it."

So I understand why some of you don't like what I'm saying here.

You know it's true.

[mickeyfinn]

Hell if the ACA is so good why are members of the House and Senate exempt?

They are exempt because they have coverage.

Their coverage is subsidized by their employers. And remember, WE are their employers. Us.

They pay, if i remember correctly, $8 a month for individual coverage and about $30 for family coverage. And the coverage is far better than anything that you or I could find under the ACA. And FAR less expensive too.

Do you find this shocking? Yes sir, we subsidize medical care for members of the House and Senate.

But you know, a lot of these people are public servants with very little money. They need our help.

Glad you asked?

[rjt123]

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What I find funny is you.

You know, it IS possible to disagree with others without personal attacks and insults. It's not necessary.

[mickeyfinn]

You know, it IS possible to disagree with others without personal attacks and insults. It's not necessary.

Sorry, I did find it funny. I smiled then laughed when I read -

Care to explain why I should pay for their internet? Their television? Their automobile?

Find that funny?

You didn't find that funny? Be honest now.

[rjt123]

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Sorry, I did find it funny. I smiled then laughed when I read -







You didn't find that funny? Be honest now.

No, not really. You seemed to be trying to insult tv_racin_fan with that statement. Were you?

[CJB]

What I find funny is you.

Personally, I think we should jack taxes way up on the obscenely wealthy (billionaires) in this country and to a lesser degree their many less fortunate counterpart millionaires and to an even lesser degree those comparatively poor people who pull down ONLY a few hundred thousand a year to pay for complete socialized medicine.

Mickyfinn - spoken like a true progressive f'tard, a posterchild for the New America.

[mickeyfinn]

No, not really. You seemed to be trying to insult tv_racin_fan with that statement. We're you?

Sorry, I found it truly amusing.

Now why did you omit his funny line? This one -

Care to explain why I should pay for their internet? Their television? Their automobile?

People couldn't understand your question when you wiped out his funny line so I added it back in for you.

[mickeyfinn]

Mickyfinn - spoken like a true progressive f'tard, a posterchild for the New America.

Ah, now the insults begin. "f'tard," isn't really that good of an insult. It kinds of pokes fun at and denigrates the intellectually challenged among us. Ignorant people used to call them "retards."

Oh, yeah. Welcome to the New America.

One day I hope you'll have a little stay in one of our Re-education Camps. You're going to need that re-education once the people take over.

We'll send you there for free with absolutely no expense to you or your family. Hell, maybe we'll send your whole family with you.