Another reason why we NEED the Keystone XL Pipeline

[muggsy]

For gods sake someone tell Iceland before they make a terrible mistake!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renew...rgy_in_Iceland

The only place that the U.S. has a source of geothermal energy is in Yellowstone National park. Try getting by in our climate with just a heat pump.

[muggsy]

I must have took a wrong turn. I owe 3 times what I paid for my house, if SS goes broke, so do I. I worked hard and still do the best I can. I must have missed a sign or something.

It's quite obvious to me that you need me as your financial planner. My first suggestion would be to marry a rich republican woman like I did. The rest will come easy. Can you smooth your eyebrows with your tongue?

[muggsy]

I love how Solyndra is the only argument. Fossil fuels will not last forever. It is better to be prepared rather than stupid.

Haven't you heard? Necessity is the mother of invention. When the time comes we'll find the necessary alternative to fossil fuels and it won't come from burning soy beans or corn.

[deadeye]

I love how Solyndra is the only argument. Fossil fuels will not last forever. It is better to be prepared rather than stupid.


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I hope you have a lot of love. Solyndra is only one example. Al Gores electric car company in Sweden? Ethenol fuel made from corn that turns out to be at least as polluting while being more expensive than fossil fuels? Our food supply being used as fuel when we are swimming in oil and coal? So much money put into it they can't abandon it? The Ovomit Motor company's Volt? The Tesla is nothing more than a rich boy's toy. On and on. Billions of your tax dollars spent for these wonders. It makes sense to abandon our coal and oil before we are even close to an alternative? Comparing Iceland to the US is like comparing my Red Ryder BB gun to my Mauser .270. As I stated before, wait until these wind turbines start needing maintenance and replacements. See who has to pay cubic dollars for it. Canadian oil won't benefit us? Huh? Let's wait a while before we give a clear definition of "stupid."

[Nytcrawler93]

How about the 8 or so companies introducing Volt and Tesla competitors? I guess you are going to hate on BMW, Toyota, Honda, and every other major company. Kind of silly. I do have lots of love though..


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[deadeye]

Yeah, I see what you mean. I mean I see coulda, woulda, shoulda. I am waiting breathlessly for these wonders to emerge to the point poor people can afford them. So far all I see are rich boys toys and cars that urban dwellers who only have to drive 5 miles need. All the dealers in our area don't even try to sell them anymore. Nobody wants them. They are wonderful for dreaming about by dreamers but the real world hasn't accepted them yet. When it does I'll be the first to admit I,m wrong. 'Till then ------. By the way. I am not against "green" energy. Just think we are getting the cart way ahead of the horse. When free industry thinks they will work, we'll have them. Meanwhile I still say innovation can't be bought or legislated by a bunch of idiots.
Like you however, I love everybody.

[berettabone]

and Gore's electric bill is still $10,000 a month.....................................

[dirtengineer]

We need oil to move our goods. Nothing but liquid fuel has the energy density to do it. If we can't figure out a cost effective way to do this, all the windmills in the world won't help.

[muggsy]

How about the 8 or so companies introducing Volt and Tesla competitors? I guess you are going to hate on BMW, Toyota, Honda, and every other major company. Kind of silly. I do have lots of love though..

Are those companies breaking any sales records with those electric cars? We had electric cars in the early 1900s. They didn't work well then and they don't work well now.
Batteries aren't as efficient in cold weather.

[ScottM]

Are those companies breaking any sales records with those electric cars? We had electric cars in the early 1900s. They didn't work well then and they don't work well now.
Batteries aren't as efficient in cold weather.

Clearly you're not ready for an electric car and that's ok. Maybe you live somewhere like me that is spread out and gets pretty cold, and that's ok too. But not everyone lives wherever you do though, and those companies are beating their own sales records and the models are profitable.

Staunch conservatism always gets left behind in emerging markets, and there are always higher rates of failure in new ventures. But venture capitalists understand this, position their holdings appropriately, and make killings moving the market into new spaces.

Just because you're not a risk-tolerant entrepreneur doesn't mean everyone should be. But don't just take my word for it, look at the I.T. Economy.

[ScottM]

and Gore's electric bill is still $10,000 a month.....................................

He's a bit of a hypocrite and a lackluster speaker (I saw him in person at a conference once) but that doesn't mean renewable energies should be left under-developed. They are the long game for U.S. security, prosperity, self-sufficiency and global profit.

[ScottM]

Haven't you heard? Necessity is the mother of invention. When the time comes we'll find the necessary alternative to fossil fuels and it won't come from burning soy beans or corn.

You and I totally agree there. Foodstuffs are a terrible fuel, for so many economic, engineering and ethical reasons and I wish the U.S. Would drop all subsidies for ethanol today.

What we don't agree on is the need to pre-develop solutions prior to the global problem that everyone agrees will come within the next 100 years, maybe much sooner. I personally want to be invested in companies (ideally headquartered in the US) that will have that market advantage.

[Nytcrawler93]

ScottM is right on it.


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[Longitude Zero]

We need oil to move our goods. Nothing but liquid fuel has the energy density to do it. If we can't figure out a cost effective way to do this, all the windmills in the world won't help.

Precisely. All the greenies have no answer for the energy density issue. As far as petroleum being in short supply in 100 years yes no maybe so. The end of the age of petroleum is not a determined fact currently. Alternative energy needs development but NOT at government aka taxpayers expense. Some electric car builders are keeping their heads barely above water most are not. Until they can get batteries to run the vehicle at highway speed for 500+ miles between charges I and the vast majority of folks are not interested. Look at how the stock market is not in love with the companies by how their stock is treated. Ethanol is a rip-off as it takes more energy to create a gallon of it that you get out of it.

[Armybrat]

based on those numbers that's not a significant spill, but I agree with the OP a pipeline would be a safer alternative to rail travel.
but if the Keystone XL pipeline should be or will be built is a whole other debate

personally I think it should be because I could use the work

I believe it should be built - because the $12 spread between ND light sweet crude and West Texas Intermediate all goes for excess transportation costs (by Warren Buffett's trains). My mineral lease is in a Bakken sweet spot, and when the first 3 wells for our spacing are spudded in next month & the wells set up for production, that spread will put a big dent in my royalties - as little as they probably will be. There is no reason not to build it - multiple environmental surveys already done show no concerns for the project.

Texas leads the nation in wind farm energy production with thousands of generators - and I hope we build more - yet they do little good during the hot dry summers when they are needed the most because the dang wind doesn't blow much then.