New PM45 Range Test

[kramm]

Thanks Bawanna. Took me a minute.

[wyntrout]

Kramm, you don't have the same problem I've had? Is the stripper behind the base of the top cartridge of a full mag with the slide locked back? No notch problem, either? A third problem... different?
I thought you had one of the two problems we've been discussing and your gun would come back fixed, too.
Wynn

When you're preparing photos for uploading, jpegs (picture.jpg) should be under 97.7kilobytes. Generally, 640x480 is about as high a resolution that you can use for that and sometimes you might have to crop that to get below the max file size. I think when you use the Attachment Manager, after choosing Advanced mode, choose Browse and find your picture, then click on it, click save and then choose upload on the manager window... it takes a bit of time. If you don't resize it first, it will take a long time for it to reduce the picture.
You can preview the post, but use the back button to leave the picture. If you hit the upper right close button, you have to start over.
Once you post the msg and picture, you can see the photo and you can edit the post to add more or change something.
If you want to keep the original photo, open it with Microsoft Fax and Picture Viewer. Upper left under File choose Save As and give it a filename. Then Edit the new file you just saved. Start with resize and choose 640x480, then okay, then save that. Now roll the mouse over the new photo and see the pop for file size. If it's over 97.7 KB, edit and use the Crop feature to get rid of extra space around the part of the picture you want to show. then choose Ok and then save that. The picture won't change for real until you save it. Then you can check the size with the mouse, if okay, then go to the reply and use the Attachment Manager to find the file and upload it.

For posting pix here, I set my camera to 640 by 480 resolution and then all I might have to do is crop a bit. Most of the time the photo is small enough, size-wise. Don't forget to go back to higher resolution for regular photos.
Wynn

[wyntrout]

I missed the pix during my long-winded post. How about some pix of the gun with the slide locked back and a full magazine locked into position. Pix from the top and showing the magazine alignment and the base of the cartridge and the "stripper" area.
Have you tried watching what happens as you insert the full magazine? Does the cartridge get pushed down on one end or the other?
Wynn

[Bawanna]

Crap, I guess I don't know how to post a picture either. I read thru half those directions and had to reach for the advil. Crop, size, kilobytes, resolution. I putting you on the other side with the rocket scientist. I bet you did your own avatar too huh?
Dang your smart.

[Bawanna]

Kramm, do do what Mr. Wyn said though. Would like to see the bottom of the slide looking at the breach face, maybe the frame from the top with a loaded magazine in place, no slide. That beveled stripper could still be the issue. You got some pics on so my simplistic approach must work at least a little bit.

[wyntrout]

Kramm is posting a higher resolution than I thought was possible. the darn instructions list the max size of a .jpg file as 97.7KB, but his pictures are bigger. I guess he just uploaded the regular sized ones and the Attachment Manager loads it and compresses it a little bit. Anyhow, it works, what ever he's doing.

I would just like to see how the magazine sits after insertion or even just before topping out and then fully inserted to see if the cartridge is getting shoved down somehow.
Wynn

[Bawanna]

Just noticed your from Missouri, birthplace of bawanna. How I ended up out here is a huge question, drug as a kid against my will mostly. What part you in?

[Bawanna]

I'm thinking he's got the same exact issue you had. That stripper is squared off and just hanging onto that top cartridge and it has no place to go. When the slide slams shut it's not lined up so gets pushed down in the back and up in the front. The old crunch instead of click or whatever you called it. It's bed time for workers on the West coast but I'm hanging a bit to see if theres another post from Kramm. What are you doing up this late anyhow Mr. Wyn? Gotta be like 2 am in FL.

[Bawanna]

Guess not, he logged off. I'm down for the night. Good night Jim Bob, good night Mary Ellen, Good night Grandpa, good night John boy.

[wyntrout]

It's only 1:32 AM.
I usually stay up late... maybe nap a bit in my TV chair. I sleep a little later, too.

[kramm]

I didn't mean to log off. I was taking pic. with full mag. in. I tried to down load into puter but it wouldn't let me for some reason. I'm about 50mi. n.w. from st. louis.
With a full mag. in I have about a mil. clearence. The stripper has a little bevel to it not much. It will fire the first round it's the next one that does this hang up thing. I clear the chamber and fill the mag again and it eill fire, then hang. I out 20 -5round mags. through it today and only 5 ran with out an issue.

[kramm]

I'll take more pics. after I get and try to get them in. I'll get some of the bottom of the slide.
The
attachment manager said my pics. were 88.9 kb. when they were up-loading.

[wyntrout]

How many mags did you try... different mags?

Bawanna' called it a night. My son lives in St. Louis. My Daughter in S. Illinois.
We get together for Thanksgiving almost every year in Marion, IL. That state sucks for gun laws. It's the only one I have to visit and can't CCW there.

It does sound like there's something going on with your magazines, but I wonder if the slide is pushing down on the cartridges and pushing them from mid-cartridge to jam them up like that. Have you tried taking the slide off and reinserting the slide stop to see if a bullet hits the slide stop when you insert the magazine?

The notch and the gap issues seem so easy once you figure that out, but yours isn't so easy to see, I guess.
Wynn

[gb6491]

Hello all,
I'm a new member to the site.
I bought a pm 4544n on Feb. 4-10. My first outing to the range was great. I put 150 rounds through it with no problems. It was cold and my fingers were gettingnumb, so I called it a day.
My next trip to the range wastuesday last week. Since I had taken wwb ammo on my first trip I decided to take some Fed.&Rem. this trip. All were 230gr. fmj.
This trip was not so good. The first issue was that it did not pick-up the first round from the magazine. I had the slide locked open and used the slide release. The second issue was that the slide relaes lever would move outward and lock the slide open after a couple of rounds were fired. The third issue I had was the round would jam into the top of the barrel.
I took it home and cleaned it, I also checked the mag. springs as I had taken them apart and cleaned them after my first trip to the range.
I found some flashing around the hole for the slide release and removed that. All else looked OK to me. Took it back to the range the next day. The mag. release didn't lock the slide open when fired. But the other two issues remained.
I E-Mailed Kahr, their reply was to read the owners manuel. Ihad already read it.
It is on it's was back to them.

Hi Kramm,
I went and read the background on your problem. Something that struck me was that your first session was without problem, but your second was problematic; also that you had taken the magazines apart between sessions. I'd like to suggest that you check the orientation of the springs in your magazine in regards to the follower..
Proper orientation is pictured below on the right:

I just now purposely installed the spring as pictured on the left and my first attempt to hand feed from that magazine resulted in a failure pretty much as pictured in your earlier post tonight (for reference the same magazine with a properly oriented spring hand fed the same rounds without incident).
It might be worth a quick look.
Regards,
Greg

[wyntrout]

That would make a big difference. I have a 9mm 7-round extended grip that will shoot 4 rounds and the last three are kind of nosed down a bit and don't feed.
I've adjusted the magazine twice and it still does the same thing. I've lightly sanded the follower, especially the front, and bent that last coil end piece up just a bit more to exaggerate the lift on the front, but no help.
I've put it aside for now. I ought to try using that in the K9 with a K9 base plate and see if the body and follower work in the K9 and maybe the reverse for the PM9. Another test. I'm also thinking about some more springs from Wolf -- 5% stronger.
Wynn