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  • Why do people like +P ammo?

    Yes, why do people like the +P stuff over the standard velocity stuff in light concealed carry guns?

    We live in a mild winter climate, so multi layers of clothing is rare. So for us IMHO +P ammo is over kill. I can't speak for other locations.


    The biggest concern for us is controlled follow up shots. My biggest fear is if we have to draw and fire, no bystander gets hit. Using an IPSC target or a 6" steel plate, from a beep we can usually draw and fire from concealed carry in l.5 seconds, and hit C.O.M. from 10 yrds, with a +P round. The concern is what happens after that first shot.


    As former IPSC competitors we know about shooting double taps and multiple targets with major power .45acp loads out of heavy 1911s and we know our split times. I seem to remember they were about .18 seconds


    But for concealed carry we carry either lighter PM9s or K9s, and we practice double and triple taps.


    We ran some tests with standard velocity and +P ammo to see how long it took to do follow up shots without spraying and praying. We used a Pact timer to time our splits between shots, after finding our front sight, and having fast accurate double and triple tap hits.


    The times for us between +P and standard ammo was like night and day, out of the PM9s and almost as bad out of the K9s. We decided on fast, controlled, accurate hits over slow controlled hits. Oh don't forget about the adrenalin rush.


    We did some ballistic testing some years back and here's the results


    http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11851


    LET THE BASHING BEGIN !
    Last edited by jg rider; 04-01-2012, 07:01 PM.

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    Seems that some people are looking at the numbers and want the extra velocity they believe they get with +p rounds in short barreled handguns.

    I have some 147 grain and some 124 grain HST rounds and am satisfied they will do the job I ask of them tho I do need to do some testing to see which ones my handguns prefer and then run with that.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tv_racin_fan View Post
      Seems that some people are looking at the numbers and want the extra velocity they believe they get with +p rounds in short barreled handguns.

      I have some 147 grain and some 124 grain HST rounds and am satisfied they will do the job I ask of them tho I do need to do some testing to see which ones my handguns prefer and then run with that.
      What we found was the 124s had a sharp snap compared to slower felt recoil pulse of the 147.

      Did you see our results?

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      • #4
        Personal opinion forthcoming. I've never used +P in anything. In my mind a hot rod round is just more abuse on a gun and I love my guns.

        Course I carry 45 and nothing but 45. If you want to go faster get a bigger bike.

        I firmly believe that even standard pressure 380 will ruin your day in a big way if you get hit with one. Long enough that if need be I can relocate to another location.

        I used to hot rod loads for 44, 30-30, to play with years ago, not so much anymore.
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        • #5
          I like +P's because they are louder and more manly.







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          • #6
            I like to get all i can from my defensive ammo. If i were installing a security door i'd get a good one although a cbeaper model might do. Why buy a better gun or carry spare mags? You want the best for defence and +P is best.
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            • #7
              yup

              Originally posted by Bawanna View Post
              Personal opinion forthcoming. I've never used +P in anything. In my mind a hot rod round is just more abuse on a gun and I love my guns.

              Course I carry 45 and nothing but 45. If you want to go faster get a bigger bike.

              I firmly believe that even standard pressure 380 will ruin your day in a big way if you get hit with one. Long enough that if need be I can relocate to another location.

              I used to hot rod loads for 44, 30-30, to play with years ago, not so much anymore.
              45comingout of a brrel::: putt putt putt putt putt. +P45 coming out of a barrel. putt putt putt putt Jusst sayin.
              . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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              • #8
                Layered clothing is not rare here in New England.

                In the ballistics testing I've looked at on YouTube it looked to me that +P has been the constantly good performer compared to other 9mm loads.

                I don't think you need be concerned about being bashed for you choice of ammo, particularly on this forum.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jocko View Post
                  45comingout of a brrel::: putt putt putt putt putt. +P45 coming out of a barrel. putt putt putt putt Jusst sayin.
                  Posterior hole!
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                  Dad: Say something nice to your cousin Shirley
                  Dietrich: For a fat girl you sure don't sweat much.
                  Cue sound of Head slap.

                  RIP Muggsy & TMan

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                  • #10
                    If P+ means super sonic speed? I'm in!

                    I personally like my Self Defense bullets running super sonic speed for hydrostatic shock.

                    That velocity varies with temperature, humidity, altitude.
                    My rough guess is, here in Tampa Fl, it's ~1150 fps?

                    Ammo lots vary, so I like Speer GDHP 124 +P from a 4" barrel.
                    They advertise an average velocity of 1220 fps.
                    So I'm thinking a slow bullet in the rain should still produce super sonic speed.

                    I try to shoot for ~1150 fps, or more, in all my guns.

                    Exceptions being;
                    My little 2" 38 isn't going there, but I still use +P.
                    And my 45 230 gr isn't super sonic either, but I'll live with that - LOL!
                    I have +Ps in 45. But it kicks hard and the old Sig P220 wasn't made for it.
                    So I run standard 230 gr Ranger Ts out of a 5.47" barrel.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bawanna View Post
                      Posterior hole!
                      putt putt putt putt putt, dribble dribble dribble putt putt putt
                      . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                      • #12
                        Is that you after having Mexican for dinner?
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                        --Thomas Jefferson (1764).

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                        • #13
                          Putt putt what the hell is that JOCKO? May be slow and on a rteally good day you may even see it coming...but you won't be able to get out of the way of that flying gabage can slug. So after the BG gets hit he'll be going Poop, Poop, Poop, Poop done anfd leaking hydralic fluids from rather large holes.
                          There is a reason the Special Forces & Seals carry the 45 ACP pistols....

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                          • #14
                            I understand why they like it and if they can control it good for them. I use the 124gr +P Gold Dot in my defensive use Glocks because indications from people who are privy is that it's a good performer in law enforcement shootings. So when I got my CM9 the other week I figured I'd use it in that.

                            Well it is quite a bit harder to control than the 115gr Critical Defense and Federal 9BP. As you said, first shot is ok but in rapid fire my hands start to separate.

                            But I want to stick with a modern bullet that can be purchased economically enough to practice with it occasionally and the Gold Dots can be had in 50 round boxes. I am going to try the standard pressure 124gr Gold Dot. Because of recoil, the pistol already shoots a little high and I think a 147gr load will shoot even higher.

                            I had to file down the slide stop to get the Gold Dot to feed without locking the slide back.

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                            • #15
                              You can like .45 all you want but it don't change the fact that those rounds can be smacked right out of the air with little more than a work glove on. I use a pair of rappel gloves, but I have delicate skin.

                              Seriously. I stick to stick to std load 147 to carry and practice. No +p, totally unnecessary Imo. Just makes alot of noise and hurts your hand. I shoot other non +p for plinking and general fun shooting.

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