Why do people like +P ammo?

[wyntrout]

"And when carrying a Kahr I don't need a +p for a 147gr. bullet that starts out as .355" and expands to almost .075" in my tests which equal L.E results"

Dang! My bullets get wider when they EXPAND!

I like my 230-gr .45 standard-pressure Speer Gold Dots, but the short-barreled version for my PM45, BUT I usually carry my PM9 with the +P 124-Gr GD SB.

And for my P380... the BB +P 90-gr Gold Dots are the best performing SD loads... at least the highest muzzle energy.

Wynn

[jg rider]

"And when carrying a Kahr I don't need a +p for a 147gr. bullet that starts out as .355" and expands to almost .075" in my tests which equal L.E results"

Dang! My bullets get wider when they EXPAND!

I like my 230-gr .45 standard-pressure Speer Gold Dots, but the short-barreled version for my PM45, BUT I usually carry my PM9 with the +P 124-Gr GD SB.

And for my P380... the BB +P 90-gr Gold Dots are the best performing SD loads... at least the highest muzzle energy.

Wynn

Duh! I did say .075" Would you believe it was a test? And you passed

[wyntrout]

Just had to pull your leg.... It IS April 1st, too!

Wynn

[Barth]

Nice shooting . I'm not familiar with the 40. Only time I shot one was out of a PM. But the wife has a Glock 17 for the house. I wonder if I can convert it to a . 40, using the the same slide and mags.

Glock 40 cal guns can be converted to 9mm, or 357 Sig, with a barrel and mag change.
That's what I'm doing with my G27/40.
I can shoot three calibers.
Although I favor 9mm.
That's what I was shooting at the pictured target.

The 9mm Glock guns can't so easily be changed to other calibers.
I'm not positive, but think you have to change the entire top end and the trigger mechanism as well.
It's not worth it.

[wyntrout]

So, I'm guessing you have other guns as well, in the "unlikely" event that your multi-caliber gun frame gets damaged or broken... so that all of your "eggs" are not in "one basket"!

YANK!

Wynn

[Barth]

So, I'm guessing you have other guns as well, in the "unlikely" event that your multi-caliber gun frame gets damaged or broken... so that all of your "eggs" are not in "one basket"!

YANK!

Wynn

LOL you're on a roll now.
Yes, I have six other guns.
And yes, I have so many Glock parts now,
I think a second frame might be a fine idea - LOL!

[jg rider]

Glock 40 cal guns can be converted to 9mm, or 357 Sig, with a barrel and mag change.
That's what I'm doing with my G27/40.
I can shoot three calibers.
Although I favor 9mm.
That's what I was shooting at the pictured target.

The 9mm Glock guns can't so easily be changed to other calibers.
I'm not positive, but think you have to change the entire top end and the trigger mechanism as well.
It's not worth it.

Thanks

[Captain]

I don't understand the "I don't practice with +P, so I won't carry it in my carry gun". But I will switch out my 40 caliber barrel in my Glock for a 9mm because it's cheaper to shoot???? What's wrong with this picture?

Trigger time is trigger time. Whether you use full power +P loads or milder ball ammunition, it all goes towards building the necessary repetitions needed to work your defensive firearm without having to consciously think about it when in a bad situation.

+P ammunition performs way more consistently than standard presure ammo, even with all of the "newer technology" in bullet design. The amount of extra wear and tear on your firearm from using full power ammunition occasionally is negligible. I have a few guns that have over 50,000 rds thru them, mostly +P ammo and they all look and work great. Regular maintenance and periodic recoil spring changes go along way towards alleviating any isses of excessive wear. Enjoy your guns and pass them on to yout kids!

[APSKahr]

Great points Captain. Though I can feel the difference between +P and regular ammo during practice, the felt difference is much less under the stress of an IDPA match.
I shot some 124 gr +P Gold Dots and 147gr HST's this weekend and the difference between the 2 was there but very small. I would like to try some standard pressure 124 Gold Dot out of curiosity.
Out of my CM9 the 147gr HST averaged 248 ft-lbs of energy and the 124gr +P Gold Dot averaged 343 ft-lbs.

[muggsy]

I doubt seriously that anyone hit by a +P round would be able to discern any difference between it and a standard round. To take full advantage of a +P round you need a gun with a longer barrel than that of a pocket gun like the PM9. A small gain in performance is paid for with more muzzle flash, felt recoil, noise and a premium price. As usual, Bawanna has it right.

[jocko]

ur probsably right muggsy, but as u know if they made a +P+P+, someone would be wanting to buy it and shoot it. Oh the power of advertsing, and whatit tend sto dotoones wallet. Just sayin

No as usual about it Bawanna is always right, just ask him

[chrish]

I am waiting for +Q or +R ... Or maybe some apple iAmmo.

But until then, I will stick with my 147gr pdx1

[Barth]

Great points Captain. Though I can feel the difference between +P and regular ammo during practice, the felt difference is much less under the stress of an IDPA match.
I shot some 124 gr +P Gold Dots and 147gr HST's this weekend and the difference between the 2 was there but very small. I would like to try some standard pressure 124 Gold Dot out of curiosity.
out of my CM9 the 147gr HST averaged 248 ft-lbs of energy and the 124gr +P Gold Dot averaged 343 ft-lbs.

I've shot a box of Federal HST 124 gr 9mm,
Speer GDHP 124 gr 9mm +P,
and Winchester Ranger T-Series 127 gr 9mm +P+
Out of a 4" barrel G27.
And the perceptible difference in recoil, to me, was insignificant.

Handguns are under-powered by nature.
Using the most powerful round you are proficient with just
increases your chances of survival.

[Manzanita]

Yes, why do people like the +P stuff over the standard velocity stuff in light concealed carry guns?

Like Nigel Tufnel's amp...

"These go to eleven."

[chrish]

Like Nigel Tufnel's amp...

"These go to eleven."

That's hysterical, good one!